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04-02-2012, 07:06 PM
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Rivet Master
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St. Catharines
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Pickup with style
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04-02-2012, 07:10 PM
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Rivet Master
2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
, Rhode Island
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Originally Posted by Road Ruler
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I thought GM might have learned their lesson from the SSR.....
Bruce
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04-02-2012, 07:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce B
I thought GM might have learned their lesson from the SSR.....
Bruce
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What lesson? Was always intended to be a low volume, relatively hand built car. I drove one as a company car. It was the last production year with a stick. It was a flippin' BRUTE. I haven't driven anything like it since the big block Chevelles.....and that is what it was intended to be....unrefined, no holds barred, muscle car, for the few who just needed to have one.
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04-02-2012, 07:37 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
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Jupiter
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"GMC Kills Denali XT Project... September 2009 ..."
Uni-body pickup... eww
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04-02-2012, 07:41 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wabbiteer
"GMC Kills Denali XT Project... September 2009 ..."
Uni-body pickup... eww
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Unibody "El Camino" type car/trucks are hugely popular "Down Under" and several Holden variants were considered for the US. The concept didn't really clinic well, and the money is better spent elsewhere. Good decision IMO.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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04-02-2012, 08:02 PM
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Rivet Master
2021 25' Globetrotter
Jamestown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
What lesson? Was always intended to be a low volume, relatively hand built car. I drove one as a company car. It was the last production year with a stick. It was a flippin' BRUTE. I haven't driven anything like it since the big block Chevelles.....and that is what it was intended to be....unrefined, no holds barred, muscle car, for the few who just needed to have one.
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Here is an article by Forbes on the subject....
Chevy Retries Retro - Forbes.com
I think it was a failure, I'm not saying it wasn't fun to drive......
I even mentioned to my wife that maybe it would be fun to own but she voted no. Sigh....
Bruce
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04-02-2012, 08:13 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
, Illinois
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce B
Here is an article by Forbes on the subject....
Chevy Retries Retro - Forbes.com
I think it was a failure, I'm not saying it wasn't fun to drive......
I even mentioned to my wife that maybe it would be fun to own but she voted no. Sigh....
Bruce
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I think failure is relative to to whether you're speaking to a financial person or a car guy. From the financial perspective, MARKETING screwed up and overestimated the market. A lot of vehicles fell victim to that........build them and discount them. All the automakers did that for literally decades. From the car guy perspective, a failure is measured quite differently. Forbes is a financial magazine, so I get it.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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04-02-2012, 08:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Trabuco Canyon
, California
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I welcome any and all new thinking on pickup truck design.
Its a very conservative market however. Rugged, big, tall, tough,etc. Is there room for anything else? I'd like a dose (even if small) of efficient, elegant, sophisticated, lower, aerodynamic, athletic.
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04-02-2012, 08:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
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But neither the pic above nor the SSR were pickup trucks.....they are cars with really big trunks....configured to sorta look like a truck. Study the photo for awhile.
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"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green
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04-02-2012, 09:01 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari FB SE
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Durango
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I'll trade my '85 Caballero in on a new Ranchero or El Camino in a heartbeat. A real gentleman's pickup.
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04-02-2012, 09:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Denis4x4
I'll trade my '85 Caballero in on a new Ranchero or El Camino in a heartbeat. A real gentleman's pickup.
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Yeah, I know, it's cool, but you and a few thousand of like minded people don't make money. See the above comments on the SSR. These "car/trucks" catch the fascination of folks till you ask if they would stroke a check for one....then they're not practical for most people.
"Build it and they will come" is dead in the automotive world, if you want to survive. The marketplace is too crowded to play like that. Unfortunately.
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04-02-2012, 09:52 PM
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That's a really cool looking vehicle, but I would not consider it a truck. It's much closer to Toyota Corola sans the trunk lid.
Brian
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04-02-2012, 09:52 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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Give us a 4-dr 1/2T with an economical high-torque turbodiesel and fully independent air-ride suspenson. And a 7-manual with double OD (towing & solo). Plenty of performance all the way round with that.
Just needs an Aerolid to top[per] it off. Style and function with that.
Can you say "20" for towing mpg with a 27' ? Or, 30-mpg solo? It's well within possibility.
Leave the toys for the poseurs.
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04-02-2012, 10:17 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REDNAX
Give us a 4-dr 1/2T with an economical high-torque turbodiesel and fully independent air-ride suspenson. And a 7-manual with double OD (towing & solo). Plenty of performance all the way round with that.
Just needs an Aerolid to top[per] it off. Style and function with that.
Can you say "20" for towing mpg with a 27' ? Or, 30-mpg solo? It's well within possibility.
Leave the toys for the poseurs.
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To damn ugly....
Bob
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04-02-2012, 10:55 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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Beauty is in the numbers. The topper would be an option. And the one above isn't aero in a strict sense, but only an idea of same. As one truly built for FE is worth a 20% increase in mpg, I'll bet you'd get over a narrow idea of aesthetic quality.
Nothing beautiful about a Herky bird, either, Bob. It's all about what it can do.
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04-03-2012, 05:02 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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"Nothing beautiful about a Herky bird, either, Bob. It's all about what it can do."
Red....how can you say such a thing!!!
Beauty is in the beholder of the eye...
Bob
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04-03-2012, 05:59 AM
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Rivet Master
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St. Catharines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tpi
I welcome any and all new thinking on pickup truck design.
Its a very conservative market however. Rugged, big, tall, tough,etc. Is there room for anything else? I'd like a dose (even if small) of efficient, elegant, sophisticated, lower, aerodynamic, athletic.
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Were on the same page tpi.
Also, our neighbor is a business man. His previous vehicle was a Lincoln sport sedan which he enjoyed.
He now owns a big, loaded up Ford pickup. In the year he has owned it the only thing he has carried in the truck beside himself is his dog, which sits in the front seat beside him. He doesn't tow anything. IMHO this sport vehicle I posted the pic of would be ideal for him and so much more fun to drive compared to his 1/2 ton, at least in my mind.
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04-03-2012, 07:55 AM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
"Nothing beautiful about a Herky bird, either, Bob. It's all about what it can do."
Red....how can you say such a thing!!!
Beauty is in the beholder of the eye...
Bob
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This beholder has, as you know, always admired the Herc's . . . and has come to appreciate the roadbound vehicles that slip more quietly through the air. Less horsepower demand = more available for fun. Fun being towing a strangely shaped "box" made of metal.
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04-03-2012, 09:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1983 34' Excella
1967 24' Tradewind
Little Rock
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
To damn ugly....
Bob
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Looks like a wash compared to the original post.
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04-07-2012, 08:26 PM
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'06 75th Winick Prototype
2006 19' International CCD
1968 22' Safari
The Swamps of Hell
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dznf0g
But neither the pic above nor the SSR were pickup trucks.....they are cars with really big trunks....configured to sorta look like a truck. Study the photo for awhile.
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You are completely wrong about the SSR. The SSR is a truck with a full frame. LS2 V8...400hp, 400lb/ft, RWD...it just happens to be a truck that's fun, fast, and PERFECT for exploring the mountains with the top down...WHILE effortlessly pulling my Airstream. With ample power to spare pulling my 75th Bambi prototype, it's GREAT fun flying up mountain passes with throttle to spare.
The SSR is built on the same chassis as the Trailblazer SS which also has the LS2 V8...and a 6700lb towing capacity. The only limiting factors for towing with the SSR vs. the Trailblazer SS are the factory hitch design and the cooling system which were designed with the styling of the truck in mind. With a proper Class III/IV hitch and a Ron Davis radiator/Colvin dual cooling fan setup, the SSR can handle a moderate size/weight trailer with ease. It's only other concern is the wheelbase...but this is where common sense applies with ANY truck considered for a tow vehicle.
Commenting on things you don't know about just adds to confusion and erroneous information on this site.
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