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Old 04-17-2016, 09:03 PM   #15
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Can you post a photo of where you put the sticker?
Shopping for my first truck and Airstream. Leaning towards Ford with Back up Assist, as I have never backed up a trailer. Thanks
A back up camera will NEVER be of any assistance backing up a trailer. It may help you couple he trailer but once that is done you are on your own.

Please don't let anyone tell you different.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:50 AM   #16
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A back up camera will NEVER be of any assistance backing up a trailer. It may help you couple he trailer but once that is done you are on your own.

Please don't let anyone tell you different.
In this case, the camera is not being used as you think it is. It sees a sticker placed on the a-frame, and as the truck is turned, the truck's computer determines the relative angle between TV and TT. You steer the truck by turning an auxiliary knob, not the steering wheel. The knob it turned opposite the direction you would normally turn the steering wheel, as if you were steering the trailer, not the truck.

When the trailer is aimed where you want it, regardless of the truck's position, you release the knob. The trailer will then continue on its heading and the truck will straighten until it is in line with the trailer.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:58 AM   #17
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Can you post a photo of where you put the sticker?
Shopping for my first truck and Airstream. Leaning towards Ford with Back up Assist, as I have never backed up a trailer. Thanks
Here's a picture of mine
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Old 04-18-2016, 12:23 PM   #18
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So, how does it deal with the pro-pride? does it back up well? If you are trying to go back straight does it actually go straight?
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Old 04-18-2016, 01:19 PM   #19
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In this case, the camera is not being used as you think it is. It sees a sticker placed on the a-frame, and as the truck is turned, the truck's computer determines the relative angle between TV and TT. You steer the truck by turning an auxiliary knob, not the steering wheel. The knob it turned opposite the direction you would normally turn the steering wheel, as if you were steering the trailer, not the truck.

When the trailer is aimed where you want it, regardless of the truck's position, you release the knob. The trailer will then continue on its heading and the truck will straighten until it is in line with the trailer.
I think I will stick to my original statement. In the time it would take one to begin to understand the camera I could teach anyone to back up a trailer. This sounds like an accident going some where to happen.

If you want a head start find a large lot like those at a truck terminal and go there on a Sunday. Drive the length of the yard parallel to the side and about 20 ft. off the side. Now back up the length of the yard keeping the rig that 20 ft. off the side. Once you have master that use the lines on either side of a loading dock as a camp site and practice backing in. You are interested in where the of the trailer are going not the angle between the Trailer and TV. Start with the line on the drivers side of your rig and once mastered have them on the passengers side, know as the blind side.
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I think I will stick to my original statement. In the time it would take one to begin to understand the camera I could teach anyone to back up a trailer. This sounds like an accident going some where to happen.
Howie, I do have all the respect in the world for you, and I agree that old school is, in so many ways, better. I, myself, know old school, and I can back a trailer, but now I find myself with a new technology that is actually pretty simple to set up, and once done, you don't have to "understand the camera". You just take a few measurements and go through a brief setup procedure, and the computer does the rest. I recommend a spotter during that learning curve to avoid that potential accident.

Referring back to my OP, I specifically asked that if you don't have this truck and this system, please do not post, because I didn't want to have a can of worms open up. But I do think it may be the future- other manufacturers are going to go there. We will always have the choice of how we want to back the trailer into a spot. One day we will probably have multiple remote cameras to display a full 360 of everything!
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2016 F150 Pro Backup configurations

I attempted to configure my Pro Backup on my 2016 F150 Lariat with my 2013 25FB' International over the weekend. I found the same dilemma as many others...where to place the reflective sticker. The instructions said between 7-22" from the center of the ball. Mine was set at 6.5" to avoid going under the Propane tank cover.

The next dilemma is that I use a 12" hitch stinger so that I could drop/raise the tailgate for my black lab to jump in/out of the bed. Even with the longer stinger I discovered my previous hitch set up was too high and the newer curved/spoiler on the tailgate hit right on the hitch lock. Needless to say I ended up lowering the easy lift hitch coupler by a notch and then likewise on the torsion bars. This gave me about an 1" plus clearance for the tailgate to clear.

Next I got everything leveled out and recorded the measurements as the instructions called for. When I went to enter the measurements into the F150 Pro Backup computer, I found my measurements were outside the parameters that the system would accept. I ended up using the closest measurements that the system would allow. The system then calibrated itself based on those measurements. I tried using it a couple times, and kept getting a message that the said something to the effect please take over steering/backing, the system label was out of range.

After researching all the Pro Backup video's, troubleshooting guides and the F150 forums, I found no solutions to the measurement configuration issues.

I then called Ford tech support, but they referred me back to the dealer, saying that the dealers service technicians have access to technical bulletins. I went to the dealer and the service writer had no clue what to do. He called in a lead technician and likewise he has not come across this issue yet. I provided them the F150 VIN, all the measurements/specifications and photos. He said he would call the engineers at Ford tomorrow and get back to me.

So for now, use of the Pro Backup feature is on hold. I hope there's a programing fix for it. I really dislike spending money on accessories that I can't use. I will post an update once the tech gets back to me.
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Old 04-19-2016, 07:25 PM   #23
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I received a call back from the Ford Service Advisor today. According to the Ford Technical "hot line" there's no fix or modifications that can be made to the Pro Backup system to compensate for the extended hitch stinger nor can is there any adjustments with the reflective stickers measurements on the AS tongue. The service advisor suggested relocating the Propane Tanks and I told him that's not an option. So, many of us who spent the $700 for the pro backup with the trailer tow package are out of luck when it comes getting local support from the Ford Service Departments on this matter.

I suspect there are many more 2015 & 2016 F150 owners with AS's experiencing this same issue. Does anyone know how to appeal this matter to Ford Engineering and somehow include AS Engineers in the discussion as well? I'm open to suggestions.
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Old 04-19-2016, 08:12 PM   #24
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See post #3, For first measurement I went from license plate to front of PP hitch rather than the ball.

Maybe this will help
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:55 PM   #25
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[QUOTE=Hiho After rereading the detailed "Quick Start Guide" for the pro trailer backup assist I see where I measured at the wrong angle, as shown on the sticker placement diagram. It sounds like you put yours next to where the propane tanks cover rests on the A-frame. I'm going to give that a try, thanks again.[/QUOTE]


I think this will work for the sticker placement. It does for my 27 FC. Just like in the photo in post # 17.


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See post #3, For first measurement I went from license plate to front of PP hitch rather than the ball.
Could someone who has set this up with a ProPride hitch post a picture of where you put the sticker and highlite the spot you used for the first measurement?
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Seems to be an older thread, but I couldn't help but noticing that the sticker is reflecting in the propane cover. Maybe try to cover that reflection area with a non-reflective surface. I also have a car hauler and reflections, even if it is just the sun, will affect the computer program. The area needs to be "dull" in some cases for the camera to see it properly.

I have this backup system in my ford. I will be experimenting soon when I get my trailer out.
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