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Old 11-20-2007, 08:00 AM   #57
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Ya never know what ya get at the local Cheapo....Walmart, jiffylube...etc. Article in newspaper recently about a law suit at an UNNAMED oil change center. Customer had ask for Moble 1 in their vehicles when changeing oil...they were charged for Mobil ONE on several oil changes. Guess what...oil analysis showed it can NOT synthetic oil of any kind. They were paying 80 dollars for a 30 dollar oil change.....over and over apprently. DO IT YOURSELF.
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:10 AM   #58
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Well guys this is one of the great advantages of leasing. I could care less about the quality of oil or how it is done. I take her to the ford dealer, oil changes and that is it. New every 2 and work the beast to death, its kind of like a rental car, only you order what you want. If you tow as much as we will, this will be a very well worn in 40k mile truck in 2 years. it is mthemain reason I went with the 150 and gas. Simple.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:26 AM   #59
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My father thought it a great convenience when a Jffy-Lube opened near his office and methodically kept the recommended service intervals over the course of nearly four years. On a Lazy afternoon I was working on my car at home and we opened the hood of his Pinto station wagon and popped open his brake fluid reservoir to find the lid seal expanded into gel and a really weird fluid consistency from contamination. I jumped right onto tracking down the principle party for that Jiffy-Lube.

The next day the real franchisee and I spoke about what I had found and we got a scornful 'surely it could've been someone else' defense and I savored a long pause and explained I was holding twelve receipts from his shop going back four years.. There was a flat-bed tow truck picking up the vehicle within the hour and a complete brake system rebuild and flush performed the next day - wholly complementary by the franchise owner. It would've been a short time before our cars brakes had a catastrophic failure and merely chance that it was found.

Anyhow - I wonder how many times the brake fluid condition had been 'sold' as evidence the customer needed to pay for a huge amount of work thanks to some shifty or stupid line worker. If you must use a quickie service center, be consistent and choose one so as to not spread responsibility around. Save receipts. And double check their work, even if its just looking for something funny.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:05 PM   #60
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I never thought leasing was such a good idea. I could never see the financial advantage. I see now that the advantage to leasing or renting a car is that you don't have to take care of it. You just drive the h___ out of it and toss them the keys when you're done.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:17 PM   #61
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I find leasing to be just slightly more expensive than ownership. It gets very complicted and in the end repair bills as the vehicle ages is the great equalizer. Funny with leasing, I take very good care of my truck and car from an appearance standpoint. They LOOK great in trade. I mean no tears,dents etc. This way a 20 k/year lease on a vehicle with decent depreciation levels is really not that expensive.If you are hard on a truck from a visual standpoint then buy. You never have that ownership feeling so all the concerns that everyone had on this post go away with regard to making the thing last and last. The only thing i care about on an oil change is the receipt. Also, when towing it makes you feel good it is not yours in 100 degree heat, and climbing mountains etc. Just call ford and they even tow in the airstream at no charge if it breaks. Just my side, and I am sure most would not agree.
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:55 PM   #62
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Good oil & good filters

It seems a lot of us know the value of using good materials.

I have been using the Mobil One since the seventies. An engineer I knew in service turned me on to it. He also mentioned that almost 70% of the average engine wear happens during the first two minutes of driving. This is for average use, not relative to long trips. Gas price or not I still warm up for a couple of minutes every morning. The synthetics stick to the metal better (dry lube - esters -in oil suspension). After the initial warm up restarts are better lubed for hours.

I also use Wix filters. NAPA Gold filters are usually Wix. Best standard filter on the market (my opinion only). If I am having the local dealer do the oil, such as in January, I find GM filters are good (as are Ford and some others). Always make sure your filter has a by-pass valve in it. If you ever plug a filter with gelled oil such as what happened in the early eighties with some "Pennsylvania products" nothing will be pumped. The by pass will still allow what lube is available to circulate. Dealer filters have the valves.

I & a relative (mechanic) once took apart an "orange filter"; we could see where the dip line was hooked on the filter element...you could see light through the hole. What a piece of junk, I never used another cheap filter after that. God only knows how large a piece of grit could go through that. We also took apart a Wix, what a difference

Good quality oil and good filters pay for themselves over the life of the vehicle and add the bonus of fewer problems and longer engine life. The bodies wear out on my vehicles before the engines do.

Change your transmision filters at 25-30,000 as well (automatics). When you hit 60,000 do a flush and a change. The first change is the critical one. The second is good maintenance. Every 30,000 after that is great maintenance. Interestingly enough I have never blown a transmision!
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:36 PM   #63
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We still use the fluid exchanger on the vehicles that we sevice the pan and filters on. On my own vehicles the pan comes off every time. We give our service customers the option.

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We too highly recommend doing both services at the same time....why be

cheap and lazy.

My tv gets both every 40k....done four so far....
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:19 PM   #64
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i have a special filter rating system of my own

check how much they weigh before and after the change. i like a filter that weighs enough new that i know that there is a filter inside, lol. a heavy used filter tells me that it is collecting something :-) if the filter is very heavy, i've been a bad boy.

i change the filter every time as soon as it's time or i can't see the dipstick through the oil.

i've only played with gas engines and i've found hastings filters to be the best i've used.
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Old 11-24-2007, 07:52 PM   #67
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One thing I've learned from Safari28: never buy a Ford used truck in Michigan.

I buy new generally and keep them 6 to 9 years—as I get older I keep them less time because I get tired of looking at them and each one may be my last truck. I might as well have a fairly new one. Leasing doesn't seem to pay unless you only keep them for a short time.

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Old 11-24-2007, 09:15 PM   #68
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Hi, this is my opinion, so if you don't agree, don't get upset. I leased a truck for a business and got to write it off, so to speak. I leased a car once, and as far as I'm concerned , it's just a high dollar rental; Without owning a business, I will never lease again. Many people say "I leased this vehicle and I don't own it so I don't care." But in reality, if you damage it, drive it too far, or seize up the engine due to lack of maintainence, You will pay for it.

As for the trans service opinions: At the Ford dealer where I work [for five more days] we use a trans flush machine; It does an alright job, but on my personal vehicles the pan comes off and the filter gets replaced. Also the torque converter plug is removed to drain the rest of the fluid. I like to see the inside of my trans pan to see how much gold dust is in it and hope not to find pieces of clutch lining and planetary gears sitting on the bottom; Something you cannot see while doing a trans flush. Some front wheel drive cars and when I worked at Chevrolet, pulling the pan and replaceing the filter was all that could be done because they had no converter drain. When I had my Chevrolet truck we would remove the trans pan and filter, then I would start the engine for about thirty seconds to pump out the converter fluid. For you non mechanics, I would not recommend this procedure. An old trans mechanic, that I worked with for many years, used to drill, tap, and plug torque converters on Chevrolets and other vehicles so a complete trans service could be done.
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Bob, sounds like you're retiring. Congratulations. Soon you'll find yourself busier than ever and wonder how you ever had the time to work.

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Bob, sounds like you're retiring. Congratulations. Soon you'll find yourself busier than ever and wonder how you ever had the time to work.

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Hi, yes; My last day of work will be Friday November 30 th 2007. I think I already have about two to three years worth of "Things To Do" waiting for me to keep me "busier than ever" as you said.
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