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Old 03-14-2014, 03:57 PM   #29
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Don't forget the vans. Here's a 2500 Chevy Express in silver metallic - a fitting companion for your fine AS. I used the "build" program on the Chevy site.
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Old 03-14-2014, 04:32 PM   #30
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The Chevy Express/GMC Savana are coming to the end of the road, too.
I don't know how long they will be in production.
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Old 03-14-2014, 04:34 PM   #31
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I agree with your point 100%. Airstream used to make light trailers in the 70's and 80's (especially the Argosy line -- 1979 30 ft Argosy has ~ 4200# dry weight and ~ 400# dry hitch weight).

I guess heaven is in Europe, where you CAN tow a 25 ft Airstream with a GMC Terrain.

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A Euro spec'ed 25 ft Airstream gross weight is 4600# with a max tongue weight of 330# (by the way, the interior looks much nicer that Airstreams offered in US).

If Airstream offers such light trailers in North American market, I bet you their sales would double. Why aren't they doing that is beyond me. Not everyone wants to buy a big truck to pull a heavy Airstream.

Absolutely. Weight was one of the main reasons, apart from cost, that we bought a 1980's model. I didn't want to have to deal with the frame separation issues of the 70's models or the weight of the newer trailers, the 80's were perfect for us.

I too love the European interiors. Airstreams are nicer than almost any other trailer on the market, but the Euro models are nicer still.
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Old 03-14-2014, 05:30 PM   #32
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New trailers are heavier because they are putting solid wood and maybe even worse, particle board and heavy counter tops in them and a lot of stuff they don't need. They have huge holding tanks. From what I can tell the newer trailers have less structure and more weight. They don't use as many rivets and they got rid of the front hold down plate.

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I agree. I think the structure is too house-like, and not enough trailer-like. A couple weeks ago we attended the antique trailer show in Palm Springs. The old trailers were built lighter, and yet didn't seem at all uncomfortable or lacking. Lots of lightweight mahogany skins, lighter stuff everywhere. I bet foot for foot they were 20% lighter. My dining table weighs a ton, and it's simply too big. One can hardly squeeze into the bankette the table is so huge.

I'm not suggested they make every model super light. But in the 25 which is the most popular size, one lightweight model would be a nice alternative.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:19 PM   #33
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The Chevy Express/GMC Savana are coming to the end of the road, too.
I don't know how long they will be in production.
For the foreseeable future. Perhaps 2020 or beyond.
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No 3/4 ton SUVs on the market anymore?

They will be here for some time to come. Lots of orders from the business community. Both the Chevy and GMC vans are built exclusively on the same line at the Wentzville plant just west of St. Louis. I went for a tour and was impressed. One of the things they told us on the tour was that was orders get priority. 2 week turn around. I ordered mine from a local dealership built to my spec. True to their word, 2 weeks later it showed up at my dealer. Much easier than trying to find one sitting on a lot. 3/4 ton is about $1,000 more than half ton.

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Good news.
It was an Enterprise salesman who told us they were going away.
I guess he wants us to lease Sprinters from him...
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Old 03-14-2014, 11:33 PM   #36
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The local news media reports Everything going on in that plant and nothing has been aired regarding any type of slow downs or layoffs. There hasn't been any closing to adjust for inventory. Plant was 2 shifts when it opened but is one shift today. I think they have been on a single shift for at least 11 to 12 years now.

It could be that Enterprise might be phasing them out or maybe getting a better discount on Sprinters. I'll check a few resources and see if I can see if there is anything to substantiate what you heard.

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No 3/4 ton SUVs on the market anymore?

Here's an article from the Wall Street Journal. Apparently the E series vans end for Ford this year. Apparently Dodge vans are gone. For the time being, according to the story GM will be staying with them. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...YdCiDOO_VaVrhA

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I agree. I think the structure is too house-like, and not enough trailer-like. A couple weeks ago we attended the antique trailer show in Palm Springs. The old trailers were built lighter, and yet didn't seem at all uncomfortable or lacking. Lots of lightweight mahogany skins, lighter stuff everywhere. I bet foot for foot they were 20% lighter. My dining table weighs a ton, and it's simply too big. One can hardly squeeze into the bankette the table is so huge.

I'm not suggested they make every model super light. But in the 25 which is the most popular size, one lightweight model would be a nice alternative.
Go Vintage! My 59 Ambassador International is 28' long with a dry weight of 3800 lbs. During full restorations we typically add about 300-400 lbs to this era of trailer, when we add all the "bells & whistles" ..& more, to bring into the 21st century living/camping standards. Keep in mind that every sucessive decade of Airstream production has become heavier. Light weight could be done by the manufacturers, its just much easier to add weight.
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Go Vintage! My 59 Ambassador International is 28' long with a dry weight of 3800 lbs. During full restorations we typically add about 300-400 lbs to this era of trailer, when we add all the "bells & whistles" ..& more, to bring into the 21st century living/camping standards. Keep in mind that every sucessive decade of Airstream production has become heavier. Light weight could be done by the manufacturers, its just much easier to add weight.
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PS My 57 30' Sovereign of the Road dry weight was only 3880 lbs, however it is still under restoration
3880# is amazing. We didn't consider vintage when we bought our trailer a few years ago because we could not do the work. But, in the future I would consider getting a vintage trailer built by one of the masters who do this work. It's a very attractive option.
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Old 03-15-2014, 11:27 AM   #40
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Nissan is making a 3/4 ton dorky looking van thing now. I think they are kinda fugly. I have never seen one without the roof extension close up.

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If you have the money to get a new porker Airstream you should also have the $50k to get a big truck to haul it.

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