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Old 03-14-2014, 08:57 AM   #15
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Pickups have been reduced to a glorified car with the short beds and all. They are basically SUV's with no roof on the back and a pickup with no cargo capacity. I wonder if this will spur a truck to SUV customization industry.
I don't know what your basis for these claims are. Long bed pickups are still widely available, and their cargo and hauling capacities are higher than ever. If you want a long bed pickup, they're easy to find used and new, with four brands (instead of the traditional three) offering them - Ford, Dodge, GM, and Toyota.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:17 AM   #16
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Bigger SUVs or Lighter Trailers

Personally, I'd be highly motivated by a 25' quality trailer that weighs 4000# that could be towed by any of the hefty V6 SUVs. There's an obvious counter trend happening: CAFE standards are putting pressure on automakers for getting rid of the big hogs, but trailer makers are getting heavier! I think the opportunity for AS is to transition to lighter TTs.

Heaven for me would be a GMC Terrain with a 25' AS under 4500#. I don't think it is impossible.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:38 AM   #17
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Bigger SUVs or Lighter Trailers

Personally, I'd be highly motivated by a 25' quality trailer that weighs 4000# that could be towed by any of the hefty V6 SUVs. There's an obvious counter trend happening: CAFE standards are putting pressure on automakers for getting rid of the big hogs, but trailer makers are getting heavier! I think the opportunity for AS is to transition to lighter TTs.

Heaven for me would be a GMC Terrain with a 25' AS under 4500#. I don't think it is impossible.
I agree with your point 100%. Airstream used to make light trailers in the 70's and 80's (especially the Argosy line -- 1979 30 ft Argosy has ~ 4200# dry weight and ~ 400# dry hitch weight).

I guess heaven is in Europe, where you CAN tow a 25 ft Airstream with a GMC Terrain.

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A Euro spec'ed 25 ft Airstream gross weight is 4600# with a max tongue weight of 330# (by the way, the interior looks much nicer that Airstreams offered in US).

If Airstream offers such light trailers in North American market, I bet you their sales would double. Why aren't they doing that is beyond me. Not everyone wants to buy a big truck to pull a heavy Airstream.
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Old 03-14-2014, 09:38 AM   #18
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Even though I mourn the demise of the Suburban 2500, I, also, would like to lighter well made travel trailers. I would like to have a 25' Airstream that is south of 5,000# ready to camp. A unit like this could be easily towed by a mid-sized SUV.

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I don't believe 3/4 ton trucks are covered by the CAFE standards.

The Quigley 4wd conversion for full-sized vans may be the answer for some people.
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As ford found out with the Excursion line, there was a rather limited market for a "super duty 3/4 ton SUV".
As Doug K and some others have pointed out, modern pickups are so well appointed inside, and ride so well, and quietly, they have effectively bridged the gap.

I suspect it might be harder than we think to build a modern TT under 4K pounds with all the luxury stuff folks want. I was recently helping a friend in the shopping process where we looked at the all aluminum livin lite trailers. Even being "all aluminum" ( main frame, floors, etc ) they are really not much, if any, lighter than other trailers made with steel frames and plywood floors.
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3/4 ton van makes a good tow vehicle. Not in range of a Suburban as far as interior goodies but still can be equipped nicely. Mine is rated for 9,900 lbs with a 6 liter gas and 4.10 axle. New ones still pull up to 10,000 lbs. Use caution on van conversions though since the interior components can lower that tow rating considerably.

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Old 03-14-2014, 10:50 AM   #22
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I like vans but finding them with seats in 3/4 ton is not easy. In many ways they are better than a pickup. Even as big as my Excursion is you can't put a bike in it without laying it sideways. When I had a van, I would put a motorcycle in the back and a bike and it was covered. The only thing I can't do with a van is haul dirt or rocks etc.

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Old 03-14-2014, 02:26 PM   #23
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If Airstream offers such light trailers in North American market, I bet you their sales would double. Why aren't they doing that is beyond me. Not everyone wants to buy a big truck to pull a heavy Airstream.
I think it is odd too that they don't at least try one model. They had the Eddie Baurer, they had the Italian Yacht Design, why not a 25 that is super light for V6 SUVs? I know it is doable.

This is not the thread for it, but as an aside, I'd start with aluminum cabinets and simple sliding doors, a stainless steel and aluminum galley, 20% smaller tanks, and modular furniture. I am sure they could shave 1000# easily. I'd even be willing to have it on a 7-1/2 foot or 8-foot body. Oh well, we can dream.
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We tried several vans for comfort. I really can't tolerate them at all. The engine box forces the most unnatural position of the legs. I have lots of leg/knee problems and the vans were just non-starters for me comfort-wise. Ingress/egress was likewise awkward to me. By far my least favorite thing to sit in.
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Ford caved to the environmentalists and discontinued the Excursion. The environs attacked Ford because of the poor mpg of the Exc, jim
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There are a number of 25' Airstreams that are towable behind, say, an Armada.
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I think it is odd too that they don't at least try one model. They had the Eddie Baurer, they had the Italian Yacht Design, why not a 25 that is super light for V6 SUVs? I know it is doable.

This is not the thread for it, but as an aside, I'd start with aluminum cabinets and simple sliding doors, a stainless steel and aluminum galley, 20% smaller tanks, and modular furniture. I am sure they could shave 1000# easily. I'd even be willing to have it on a 7-1/2 foot or 8-foot body. Oh well, we can dream.
Older Airstreams fit the bill. My '90 25 footer weights 5,000# dry for example. I'm curious why? Is the construction less robust on the older trailers? Do the new ones have more goodies? Seems like if they could do it then that they could do it now.

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Edit: Found this thread- http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...re-107651.html
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New trailers are heavier because they are putting solid wood and maybe even worse, particle board and heavy counter tops in them and a lot of stuff they don't need. They have huge holding tanks. From what I can tell the newer trailers have less structure and more weight. They don't use as many rivets and they got rid of the front hold down plate.

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