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Old 02-25-2016, 04:07 PM   #127
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Well, I don't have to be careful....the only difference between commercial and us, is the time and miles that it takes for the results of overloading to show up. The stresses on metal components are gradual and cumulative...normally, except for GROSSLY overloaded vehicles which encounter a sudden event.

If a guy overloads a bit, regularly, and trades frequently, someone else gets to wonder why his POS, brand ABC truck only lasted 150k. (or whatever the circumstances reveal).

My comments are universal and aren't really intended for the guy who is an occasional weekend warrior who is a couple of hundred pounds over for 10% of his total miles of ownership. BUT, there are many on these forums who would take this comment (which is an "inch") and take it to their interpretation (which is a "mile"). Every pound overloading takes it's toll....on a rising algorithmic curve....not even a rising linear fashion.
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:09 PM   #128
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Not to sway this thread in a different direction, but is there ways of improving load capacity of a truck? For example adding load E rated tires, beefing up the suspension, getting more HP out of the engine?
No, the entire vehicle is a "system". Load limits are set for the system. What is the link in that system which limits a particular parameter? Who knows. And even if you knew, and beefed that link up.......what's the next weakest link in the system?

That's why there are more robust "systems" 1500 vs. 2500 vs. 3500........
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There are lots of ways to improve your truck and capabilities. Heck the world of aftermarket car and truck parts is a several Billion dollar business. But none of it will change the rating that the OEM puts on the truck. The new Titan is a brand new truck so it will take a while for the aftermarket world to catch up. but I have no doubt there are already people hacking the computer systems and building an arsenal of parts for you to buy! Bottom line is if you need a bigger truck, just buy a bigger truck.


Rich you very well may be right. Maybe it will harm the truck going 200 lbs over once and a while. Again time will tell. I can just tell you that this new Titan seems to fill that void of 1/2 ton to 3/4 ton truck. The 3/4 ton world is getting pretty heavy duty lately. I suspect the Titan XD diesel (even with a 1400 lb payload) will town the biggest Airstream they make with mom and dad up front, and a couple kids watching movies in the back. My old 7.3 diesel does it with no problem and this Titan XD is pretty much on par with that truck... with a few slightly lower numbers on that door sticker.
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Old 02-25-2016, 04:36 PM   #130
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Yeah, I need some more hard specs to swallow this "tweener truck" idea. What have I read....and provide more if you can. 8900 GVWR, 1500 payload? Does this truck really weigh 7400ish pounds? That doesn't make it any different than a 5400# half ton with a 1500# payload and 6900#ish GVWR. It just makes it an overweight pig, IMHPO.

What am I missing is glancing over the specs some others have provided?
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:30 PM   #131
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Yeah, I need some more hard specs to swallow this "tweener truck" idea. What have I read....and provide more if you can. 8900 GVWR, 1500 payload? Does this truck really weigh 7400ish pounds? That doesn't make it any different than a 5400# half ton with a 1500# payload and 6900#ish GVWR. It just makes it an overweight pig, IMHPO.

What am I missing is glancing over the specs some others have provided?

Not sure honestly. I did a lot of reading about this truck. And watched a lot of videos. Sounds like actual weights are in that 7000 lb area. Also heard GVW could be 8990. I haven't been that hard on the numbers honestly.

What it brings over any other 1500 is the diesel pulling power and better mpg when pulling. Dodge aparently passed this motor up in the eco diesel for the better mpg with their 3.0. While that smaller 3.0 gets fantastic mpg it's a turd when it's comes to grunt work.
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But will a gas be offered? And what does that do to the curb weight? Mileage? Power to weight ratio, etc.
This product offering is so "off"....or else I'm missing something in the formula.
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If gas isn't offered, they're missing a significant portion of the market.
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Here are some hard fact numbers I found

Max tow ratings:
S: 4x2 will have a max-tow rating of 12,314 pounds; 4x4,12,038 pounds
SV: 4x2, 12, 164 pounds; 4x4, 11,888 pounds
PRO-4X: 11,784 pounds (only offered in 4x4)
SL: 4x2, 11,915 pounds; 4x4, 11,638 pounds
Platinum Reserve: 4x2, 11,836, 4x4, 10,608 pounds


GVWR:
All 4x2 S, SV and SL trims: 8,800 pounds
All 4x4 S, SV and SL trims: 8,990 pounds
The PRO-4X (4x4 only): 8,990 pounds
Platinum Reserve Titan: 4x2, 8,880 pounds; 4x4, 8,950 pounds


Curb weight:
S: 4x2, 6,709 pounds; 4x4, 6,986 pounds
SV: 4x2, 6,876 pounds; 4x4, 7,152 pounds
PRO-4X: 4x4 only, 7,257 pounds
SL: 4x2, 7,126 pounds; 4x4, 7,402 pounds
Platinum Reserve: 4x2, 7,204 pounds; 4x4, 7,480 pounds


Payload:
S: 4x2, 2,091 pounds; 4x4, 2,004 pounds
SV: 4x2, 1,924 pounds; 4x4, 1,838 pounds
PRO-4X: 4x4 only, 1,733 pounds
SL: 4x2, 1,674 pounds; 4x4, 1,588 pounds
Platinum Reserve: 4x2, 1,676 pounds; 4x4, 1,470 pounds
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Gas will be offered. Supposedly a redesigned 5.6L along with other body configurations in a few months. Currently the only truck for sale is crew cab config with 6.5' bed
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So it is an incredibly heavy truck. Diesel should account for about 4 -500 pounds of that, but it's still really heavy.
I think I know why, and I'll bet gas will come in just north of 8600 gvwr.
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I think the idea of an offering between 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton is a great idea. I am not sure Nissan's implementation is right though. This is a truck with 1/2 ton payload figures and 3/4 ton sticker price (and no diesel exhaust brake). I would think most people will either select a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton truck instead.
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I think the idea of an offering between 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton is a great idea. I am not sure Nissan's implementation is right though. This is a truck with 1/2 ton payload figures and 3/4 ton sticker price (and no diesel exhaust brake). I would think most people will either select a 1/2 ton or a 3/4 ton truck instead.

It's got potential. Honestly you can buy a pro-4x for $51,000. That's a pretty well equipped truck already set up for some off-road use too. You will be hard pressed to find a new 3/4 ton set up the same for less money with a diesel. A new F250 diesel will start out at around $45k. And your only getting a stripped down xl. So I think Nissan might be on the right track. I'll agree some improvements can be made its the first of its kind and I think they did pretty good. But a fully loaded platinum reserve? Yeah you can buy a fully loaded 3/4 ton for not much more. I think it's the lower end trucks that will shine in the price world.

Btw. The engine is capable of exhaust braking. The turbo is actually already proven capable. Supposedly the Aisin trans has engine braking built in. Just hold the brake for a bit and it's supposed to kick in and help. Not sure how well it works if at all. Maybe something for the future....
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I have seen pencil whipped weight increases the following model year with no change in components...

Going from bare bones to glitz costs about 500 pounds in payload on the Nissan and the Ford F150 when I was trying to configure one in 2013. Less glitz = more payload.

I drove my 2012 Ram 2500HD off the dealers lot to a fuel stop and after filling the tank, I crossed the CAT scales. I now had a real number base weight with all the factory installed options. As each accessory was added, I crossed the CAT scales with a full fuel tank. I have a spread sheet that shows what the payload penalty cost was for each accessory.
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Switz, I did the same thing, but not accessory by accessory. I had all my stuff installed prior to delivery. I had manufactured curb weight then drove to scale. But you have to know what your mfr allows in curb weight as far as occupants.
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