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Old 03-21-2004, 09:34 PM   #71
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Davydd,

My thought process in selecting the Titan was very similar. I first saw the Titan at the auto show here in Denver last Spring. And, like you, my first thought when I saw the truck fron the front was "yuck". I like a truck to have a wide stance and look stout front to rear. The Titan does have a very nice stance but the somewaht dropped-nose hood on the Titan just did not inspire me. However, as they say "looks aren't everything." Spend a little time with the Titan, as you and I did, and any hang-ups you may have with appearance will quickly fade.

The interior, as you have pointed out, is massive. There is no other full-sized truck that, IMHO even compares. Sit in the back seat of a crew cab and you will be amazed at how much space the designers have reserved for your guests. The doors are full-sized, the seats are full sized and the windows go all the way down - none of this 2/3 down stuff. Those who suffer from a bit of clostrophbia will have no reservations at all about riding back seat in a Titan crew cab. Storage bins and cup and bottle holders are every where. Armrest and door sills are at just the right height.

As far as innovation, Titan is King. The highlight has to be the modular truck bed rail system which allows you to incorporate a host of optional accessories to suite your particular use of the truck. Bike racks, moveable tie-downs, storage boxes, tailgate extenders - whatever you can dream of. The tailgate has convenience lighting and, I can tell you, is one HEAVY sucker. There is also a weather-proof 12v DC oulet near the rear of the bed. Throw in factory Rhino-liner and, of course, the convenient driver's side weather-sealed tool box behind the rear wheel and it's a pretty progressive design.

But the best part about the Titan is that it is ALL TRUCK. The 5.6 liter V-8 (about 345 cid) has all the punch you would expect from an American engine - which it is - built in Tennessee. The throttle is responsive (if not a bit touchy - it's fly-by-wire technology) and it sounds absolutley wonderful. Steering is very responsive and the truck is easier to park than the Ford Expedition that I owned a coupe years back.

As far as towing ability, the numbers are right on the money but, as I've said, I don't have any first hand experience with that yet. I will let you know as soon as I do.

Good luck working your deal. BTW, I ordered mine on January 2 and took delivery March 19. Looks like production is running about 10 weeks or so.
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Old 03-22-2004, 06:51 AM   #72
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My thought process in selecting the Titan was very similar. I first saw the Titan at the auto show here in Denver last Spring. And, like you, my first thought when I saw the truck fron the front was "yuck".
At least when your in the cab you don't have to look at the grill.

If I purchase the Titan I will definitely get the overhead rack bars to mount my Yakima kayak saddles. They designed them with Yakima.
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Old 03-22-2004, 10:23 AM   #73
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I really don't mind the look of the grill/hood now. It doesn't have the traditional start-to-finish body lines that I've grown used to with American designs - but then little about this truck is traditional. In all, I think it's a sharp looking truck and I wouldn't be surprised to see other manufacturers following Nissan's lead in both design and functionality. That will be determined by the impact that Nissan has had on market share by the end of the model year.
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Smile I done did it

Note the signature. I passed on that Mercedes Quad Cab Don was trying to recommend to me and I passed on the Chevy Avalanche that I was first thinking about. I bought the Nissan Titan LE Crew Cab in Radiant Silver color with the Big Tow Package. I also got the overhead rack carriers for our kayaks. This was a big decision after owning at least 7 Chevy trucks in my lifetime.

I probably did more research for this truck than for any previous. I read all the comparisons between Chevy Avalanche, Chevy 1500 CC, Ford F-150 CC and this Nissan from each manufacturer, Edmunds and Kelly Blue Book. I also read every review I could find. The real clincher was this article:

http://www.iboats.com/sites/trailerb..._page_259.html

I will be picking it up Tuesday night.
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Old 03-27-2004, 05:49 PM   #75
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Davydd,

Congrats on the new TV!

The article you included was sure enlighening (and especially well received by those of us who purchased a Titan before having read it, I'm sure)

The proof will be in the pudding, as they say, and I'll truly know whether my relationship with my new Titan will be a LOVE or LOATHE situation once I have actually towed with it. I sure do love everything about the truck so far, though (especially the Rockford Fosgate audio system)... did I say that?

Again, CONGRATS! (and keep us posted)
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Davydd:
Your posts show that you have a 2004 titan, though you write like you are looking to buy an avelanch, is there something wrong with your titan? We are trying to buy a new vehicle to pull our 27 sovereign with 6800lbs GVWR. I cannot see why there is so much talk about 1/2 vs 3/4 ton towing vehicles. We pulled an almost 3500lbs 22' trailer with our 2000 Honda odyssey few years ago for more than 3000 miles, with no problem. It had a towing capacity of 3500lbs. We could go 80 with no wind effect in level interstates. Ussually, the manufacturers calculate a 10-20% safety factor in their specifications. So titan's 9400 ils towing capacity should be more than enough for a 7000lb AS. Unless somebody here has had an actual problem with these figures, it appears that we are mostly guessing.
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We are trying to buy a new vehicle to pull our 27 sovereign with 6800lbs GVWR. I cannot see why there is so much talk about 1/2 vs 3/4 ton towing vehicles... So titan's 9400 ils towing capacity should be more than enough for a 7000lb AS. Unless somebody here has had an actual problem with these figures, it appears that we are mostly guessing.
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With tow and gvw capacities pressing onward and upward to every greater heights, it is not at all clear to me what the distinction is in "1/2 ton" and "3/4 ton" anymore.

There are other factors besides tow capacity (gross combined vehicle weight less the weight of the tow vehicle itself). Of these, perhaps the most important to us tug-alongs is the axle weight ratings. Take one of the popular four door pickups, add a fiberglass shell, throw in four or five passengers, a generator, some firewood, a couple of bicycles, and then maybe a 200 lb. Hensley along with 700 lbs of tongue weight and you can overload a rear axle while remaining within gcvw. This, in turn, will break very expensive parts.

danesh, I have the same coach as you and just went from a Chevy K1500 to a K2500. It is admitedly overkill, but OH!! How it takes the work out of towing!

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With tow and gvw capacities pressing onward and upward to every greater heights, it is not at all clear to me what the distinction is in "1/2 ton" and "3/4 ton" anymore.
Me too! My 1/2 ton has everything that the 3/4 ton has, maybe more. The tow rating is almost the same.
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1/2 ton Denali vs. 3/4 ton?

Dee,
Pull up the specs for your Denali and compare. Best I can remember, the 2500 lightweight 4wd ext. cab had a GVWR of 8600 lbs., same as reg. cab. long box. These combos are with 5 sp. HD manual overdrive or 4 sp. auto overdrive. Vortec 6000 is available in each.

The 2500hd has a GVWR of 9200 lbs. and is available with a 6 sp. HD manual overdrive or the Allison 5 sp. auto transmission. The 6.0, 8.1 gas and the Duramax diesel engine are available. The 11.5" ring rear end differential of the 8.1 and Duramax is the same rear end available with the 3500 Chevy.

I'd be interested in comparing the brake sizes of your '02 Denali with the '02 6.0 2500 lightweight.
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Dee's post has been bugging me because I felt that I had missed something and was shooting from the hip. I had heard that the quadrasteer dropped the GVWR somewhat as compared to a vehicle without it. That was in the back of my mind. I did some searching and found 2002 specs for the GMC Denali ext cab 2 dr. The curb wt. is 5,013 lbs., GVWR is 7,200 lbs. (up from 6,800 lbs. the year before), Trailering capacity is 10,000 lbs. which is quite respectable. This is no doubt due to the increased horsepower (325) of the 6.0 in that vehicle and 4.10 rear end as compared to the 6.0 of the C2500 which was limited to 300 hp.

I found specs for a C2500 2dr reg cab with curb wt. of 4,995 lbs., GVWR of 8,600 lbs. and trailering capacity of 8,800-10,800 lbs. The larger towing capacity is due to optional engines of 8.1 and Duramax diesel. I could not find a C2500 2 or 4 dr. ext. cab. for some reason.

The 2002 2500HD SLT 2 dr. ext. cab curb wt. is 5,393 lbs., GVWR is 9,200 lbs. and trailering capacity is 10,300-15,900 lbs.

So basically Dee, you have a nice vehicle with the 6.0, slightly more HP than the 6.0 in the 2500 and 2500HD due to tuning/exhaust, trailering capacity that is higher than the 2500 with the 6.0 engine but less than the 6.0 in the 2500HD. The GVWR stumps me though. I knew it was less than the 8,600 lbs. of the 2500 and 9,200 lbs of the 2500HD but 7,200 lbs. seems low. Remember, I had heard that the quadrasteer did take away from the GVWR but I did not think you would lose that much.

Anyone out there who can elaborate on this?
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you have a nice vehicle with the 6.0, slightly more HP than the 6.0 in the 2500 and 2500HD due to tuning/exhaust, trailering capacity that is higher than the 2500 with the 6.0 engine but less than the 6.0 in the 2500HD.
Craig,

I was looking at the GMC website after your first post to compare and somewhere it said they discontinued the extended cab 2500. I thought that was interesting.

The Quadrasteer is a hefty weight, no doubt, and that's the reason for such HD stuff on the Denali. Your right about it lowering the GVWR. Still the important number- GCVWR is 16000#, is a pretty good one. And RGAWR 4000#, FGAWR 3925#. These are the numbers you can never find on truck sites. ???

Also there is the issue of all wheel drive and how combined with quadrasteer and it's wider track, makes for exceptional control for towing.
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Also I noticed, the 2500 has 16 inch wheels standard and the Denali has 17".
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Dee,
I have heard good things about quadrasteer when it comes to horse/boat trailers and RV trailers. I realized early after the purchase of my 2500hd 4X4 that it was not the same nimble truck as my '92 Z71 4X4. Heavier and wants to plow into corners but man-o-man can it tow. It seems to be my best truck yet as far as a smooth running engine and transmission combination.

I just hit 31,000 miles and it seems that the little bit of oil I have to add every once in awhile has almost stopped. I'd heard that the big blocks had a tendency to use some oil and it was the nature of the beast. Maybe it's just a breakin process but it hasn't been a problem at all.
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I had a '94 Z71 4x4 too. Loved that truck. The Denali feels much more substantial and is much heavier. And it is more nimble thanks to 4WS.

That's the biggest difference of all: the turning radius on the 2500 is like 12 feet more! 12 Feet!
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