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Old 03-06-2004, 07:04 AM   #43
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Mike,
My .02 worth. If you are still looking... Give the 2500 Suburban a look. I spent alot of time looking at different set ups and it just "felt" that the 2500 was better. After talking to other members (Hey Dee Josh and Steve) I opted for the quadrasteer. If you do go to your Chevy dealer ask to test drive something with the Q-steer. I was amazed at what this made a 2500 HD full size p/u do! Like Big Dee said it makes turns like a Honda. And Q-S is not just for turning it works with your trailer at speeds over 40mph to reduce sway. And, Chevorlet is loaning money for 5 years at 0% interest.
Ps I saw the Titan on the road yesterday and liked the looks!

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Old 03-06-2004, 10:12 AM   #44
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Thanks all, for the advice.

Today's project is to go talk to the man about an F-250 with the assorted towing gadgets. According to KBB and Consumer Reports, I should be able to work a pretty good deal.

My wife still holds out hope for the Titan (it will do what we need - just) but the local dealer wants an arm and a leg and your firstborn....

I did consider the huge SUV option (Excursion/Suburban) but we want to carry a little Honda generator and I don't want gasoline in either the tow vehicle or trailer.


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Old 03-06-2004, 12:20 PM   #45
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Thanks all, for the advice.

I did consider the huge SUV option (Excursion/Suburban) but we want to carry a little Honda generator and I don't want gasoline in either the tow vehicle or trailer.


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Mike,

For this reason the Chevy Avalanche is under consideration for me.
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Old 03-06-2004, 12:47 PM   #46
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That's cool. You could cover the AS with gray polyethylene and have a matched set.
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Old 03-06-2004, 05:22 PM   #47
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Red face Oh, I forgot

Since I have to drive through Wayzata to and from work I will probably have to get a Cadillac Escalade EXT.
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Old 03-06-2004, 07:28 PM   #48
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Wayzata?

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Better get a Mercedes. In the real estate report for last week in Wayzata:
3 condos/houses sold for less than $300K
3 houses sold from $300K to $600K
1 house sold for $1.2M
3 houses sold for $2.8m to $3.7M
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Old 03-06-2004, 08:57 PM   #49
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There goes the neighborhood

A house about a block north of me went for a measley $1,850,000. I only wish. We live in an eclectic neighborhood of mixed values from tiny two bedroom homes to mansions.

Will a Mercedes pull my Airstream?
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Old 03-06-2004, 09:07 PM   #50
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Old 03-19-2004, 08:30 PM   #51
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Thumbs up Titan back on track

Don and I got carried away talking about his rich neighborhood and got this Titan thread off track and possibly killed it. My apologies.

I took a look at the Nissan Titan at the Minneapolis Auto Show. This truck is one serious truck in the 1/2 ton category. It might be a Japanese company but the designing took place in California. The engines are manufactured in Tennessee, and the trucks are assembled in Mississippi. It is pretty much American designed for American expectations.

If I stay in the 1/2 ton category for my next purchase which should pull my 25 ft vintage Tradewind this truck went to the head of the class in my book. My choice would be the crew cab configuration. Interestingly the king cab and the crew cab share a common wheelbase and overall length. The truck bed is what changes. The crew cab is essentially the same as the Avalanche but without the fancy convertibility and expandability of the truck bed. But if the extended tailgate will haul the plywood sheet or standard 2 x 4 studs I would be happy.

The crew cab is quite roomy so my 6 ft. tall + carpoolers would be happy. We have a bus strike going on so I have extra riders.
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Old 03-20-2004, 12:15 AM   #52
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IMHO: I have avoided any 1st or 2nd year 'all new' models of autos/trucks. I don't want to part of their R & D dept. -Ed
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Old 03-20-2004, 09:01 AM   #53
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IMHO: I have avoided any 1st or 2nd year 'all new' models of autos/trucks. I don't want to part of their R & D dept. -Ed
Ed, I can't disagree with you there. I tend to be an early adopter of new things. I bought the first Macintosh immediately and have followed suit ever since with their models. I did the same with Saab, Subaru, Chevy Nova (say Toyota Corrolla) Silverado, and Trailblazer models. This time I am willing to wait for a second year (I hope) to see if Avalanche comes out with Quadrasteer. If they don't then it may be a neck and neck battle with Titan unless I decide to go 3/4 ton. I have this fear that once I get on the road I may get an itch for something even bigger in Airstream and then be underpowered again.
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IMHO: I have avoided any 1st or 2nd year 'all new' models of autos/trucks. I don't want to part of their R & D dept. -Ed
I don't mind buying the first or second year of something... a couple of years down the road AFTER the recalls have been fixed!

One of the most significant issues regarding buying these things that is seldom discussed is the financial end of the transactions. I'm constantly amazed at folks who have incomes large enough to absorb a $15,000 hit in depreciation in three years or so. My 2000 Excursion went from $42k sticker price (I still have the sticker) to $23k in less than three years. If you check the classifieds, MOST of the trucks we use suffer that kind of depreciation, yet the automakers continue to sell new ones by the boxload. It's AMAZING!!!

I'm not complaining. I appreciate those folks who buy new and trade often. I typically buy two or three year old, low mileage cars and trucks at about half of the cost of new. As I drive them, I try to find that magic point at which they still have trade-in or sales value, but haven't depreciated much past where I bought them, despite the mileage, and then sell them before I lose too much typically at four to five years. The next good-deal vehicle is always waiting for me out there.

I haven't had a lemon yet (except for the '82 Land Cruiser Wagon I bought new in '82) and I've tried not to lose too much in depreciation along the way while keeping reliable, comfortable, (relatively) low-cost transportation.

It gets back to the definition of 'investing'. Investments appreciate. Few cars/trucks/RVs appreciate. Vehicles (with the exception of that select few) are an expense.

Just my $.02

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nissan titan - armada

we took the lead and purchased an Armada - essentially the same wheelbase as the Titan. the only feature i wanted from the titan was the telescoping side mirrors. the dealer wanted $1100 per side to make the change. passing on that option.

i have not pulled my 31 excella with it yet. first trip will be late april early may. the only defects i've detected in the armada so far is a rattle in the steering column on hard bumps. after 4k miles no issues. the 305 HP is the most powerful engine i've driven to date. i like the transmission temp guage and tow/haul mode. features a 9100# tow rating.

i know the armada has a shorter wheel base than most airstreamers recommend for a 31 excella, but i'm hoping the hensley arrow takes care of that.

i'll provide a more meaningful report after we take a trip.

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Dave --

Do you have an SE or LE? 4X2 or 4x4? What is your Armada's GVWR? (label is on drivers door post I believe)

Hmm... You talk about the tow/haul mode & tranny temp gauge, so you have the tow package. These are nice features as original equipment. But my Titan's tow package has the extendable mirrors included. It's surprising Nissan would exclude these from the Armada's tow package. They do work well and are all I need for my 8' wide trailer. The 2nd convex mirror on both sides is great. I just measured -- the extended outer mirror edge is 17 1/4 inches out from the base of the side windows (this measurement is to edge of mirror, not pod). I see McKesh's extend up to 20 inches.

Ford & Chev truck owners with extendable mirrors -- what are your measurements??

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