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Old 03-03-2004, 08:56 PM   #15
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Mike,

I will have to echo Jack and Rodger. I towed my 25' with a 1999 Suburban 1500, 350 vortec with tow package. I recently bought 1999 Suburban K2500, 454 vortec, 3:73 gears with tow package.

Handling, response and ride... towing or empty is far superior.


My three cents and good luck.
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:04 PM   #16
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Hello Mike -- Your searching is certainly worthy of a lot of attention. I don't know of anybody else in these forums with a Titan. I got mine in mid-December and towed my empty sub-4000# Argosy from Delaware through WVa, up through Ohio, then across IL, IN & WI back home. US-50 in northeast WVa has got to be the biggest test any trailer/tow combination could face. Getting the transmission temp gauge with the tow package came in handy and gave me much-appreciated warnings several times! I got 9.5 mpg towing which is acceptable to me. I've heard V-10s are gas hogs...

All the reviews on the Titan engine state that it's the only match for the Hemi. I have to be a light touch on the accelerator to avoid squeeking the tires when I take off from a stop (the rest of the country doesn't stop any more, so why am I?). Pulling my empty approx 4000# trailer really toned down that action!

I don't think the 2004 F-150 or Titan 9000+ tow capacities are practical in the real world. You are on the money to be looking at the tow vehicle's GVWR and payload. To the trailer's hitch weight you should add the full quantity of LP, the weight of your weight distribution/anti-sway gear, and options located at the very front of the trailer (spare tire? rockguard for the window & stoneguard panels for the lower quarters?).

I have 3-4 months of work before I can get my trailer to a CAT scale and give you a better idea of how a Reese Dual Cam redistributes the load in this case. Until then I've had to be real honest with dead weight at the receiver and my truck's GVWR. By counting pounds only, I will be at GVWR with my wife, a full gas tank, a topper, 2 bikes and our 2 dogs. I'll look for weight distribution to give me enough capacity for my canoe, a trailer spare tire in the truck box, and a Honda generator...

Though discontinued a couple years back, the GM/Chev 1500 HD trucks have GVWRs closer to a 3/4 ton. Message joshua32064 for more details on them if you wish. He tows a 28' CCD and I wouldn't do it with anything less. I agree with Roger above -- if you do the math on new 25 footers they'll exceed a normal half-tonner's GVWR with anything like practical trailer & tow vehicle onboard weights. I believe it is RoadKingMoe who has pointed out that 3/4 ton GVWRs are easy to exceed if you get too ambitious.

Let me dip into my index for these forums -- I'll reply back with threads on what a CAT scale is all about. Best wishes on your search -- trailer first though -- I agree on that. Reply back or message me if you want more info on the Titan (I wanted to avoid the off road package yet also wanted side air bags -- which required getting the Nav package. What a find! More stories for later...)
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:06 PM   #17
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" if you are retired, have lots of money, or like the clattering noise a diesel makes you should buy a 3/4HD or one ton dually."

They don't make loud diesels anymore. The sound is different than a V10 or 8.0 liter, but little if any louder.

The questioner asked about a $30,000 plus Titan. I just took delivery of a well optioned four-door Chevrolet diesel automatic 4X4 K2500 for a cash price of $33,800. Ford and Dodge had offerings for less. You've got to have plenty of money or credit either way.

A dually is overkill for all but the 34' slideout. And not necessary even for that.

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Old 03-03-2004, 09:40 PM   #18
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The 1500hd was only available in a crewcab and had a GVWR of 8600 lbs which is essentially the light weight 2500. The 2500hd was available in shortbed, longbed, extended cab and crewcab and the GVWR was 9200 lbs. It basically was a single rear wheel 3500 one ton. This is part of the reason I bought the 2500hd instead of the 2500. Other factors include the fact that the 11.5 inch ring gear in the 14 bolt rear differential is as strong as they come and was only available with the Allison auto transmission/8.1/Duramax diesel combination which is exactly what comes in the 3500. I can assure you that the Allison transmission is stronger than the 4L80 4 speed auto transmission that is behind the 6 litre engine. I could have lived with that combination if my trailer was a little lighter.
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Roger (85MH325) once said,
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Choosing your Airstream to suit your 'wants', not your tow vehicle makes a lot of sense. Although you'll take a depreciation hit on your tow vehicle, it won't be nearly as much as you'll take on trading a two-year old Airstream to buy another that suits you better.
(See: Towing a 25' Airstream with a Yukon?)

There are many opinions pointing generally the same direction if you do a forum search on CAT scale. The following thread regards a tow vehicle & trailer that may not be relevant to you, but try to understand the way to stack the numbers and pay attention to RoadKingMoe on how to use the CAT scale: Can My Sierra Denali Handle a 30' Classic SO
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Old 03-04-2004, 12:04 AM   #20
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n2916s,

May not change anything but, you need to get someone with a 28CCD to give you an actual hitch weight. My 29' Sovereign (not wide body) is only 605 hitch weight on the truck loaded.

Think long and hard before you buy a gm gasoline engine. They are having problems. Jury is still out whether they have fixed the 2003's or 2004's. Chevytalk.com has some good info on gm gasoline engines.
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Old 03-04-2004, 06:04 AM   #21
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Either my hearing is really good or yours is really bad. (just kidding) . I test drove a GMC 2500HD diesel a couple weeks ago and it seemed loud to me. The difference in the initial cost is a lot more than the cost of gas, unless you drive several hundred miles a day, every day. Marvin.
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Marvin, my hearing is going bad, and no kidding. However, it is still my belief that between an 8.0 and the Duramax the differences are more of quality than quantity. At anything over 30 mph or so I hear the road noise over the engine. I haven't head them side by side, but I think the new Ford 6.0 diesel is even quieter. I understand Dodge went back and deliberately gave the new series Cummins a throatier quality to satisfy their existing customers, but even to me it is no longer objectionable (I too am among those who do not care to listen to all the older Dodge diesels rattle to life at 6:00 am.)

I choose the comparison carefully, for if the smaller block gas engines will do what you want to do, it makes little sense to even consider the diesel, no matter which manufacturer. At this writing, because of a $1,000 discount on the Duramax/Allison combination the difference in price between the diesel and the 8.0 is under $3,000. Maybe less. Most of that difference will be recouped at resale time. The difference in fuel consumption is enormous. But even so, it takes 75,000 to 90,000 miles of driving to make up the cash outlay, unless fuel costs go to the threatened $3.00/gal.

If we all wanted the same thing, there would only be one kind, so no one should have the affrontery to insist that their solution should be your solution. No one should be told that their 1/2 ton tow vehicle, when operating satisfactory and under the GCWR is somehow deficient. And I have no doubt that Nissan, among others, is developing a fine selection of trucks.

I think the legitimate concerns come, as they always do, at the margins. When you get to where you are right at the weight or size limits for you combination then it only makes sense to give yourself a margin of safety, if you have the chance.

Finally, my new Chevrolet, and all the new Ford and Dodge 3/4 ton trucks I drove - all 4X4 - are easier to drive, maneuver, and park, besides being more comfortable than the '94 Chevy 1/2 ton I traded in.

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Mark, You are very right, if everyone liked the same thing this would be a dull world. Sounds like you got a good deal on your truck, don't get me wrong, I like the 2500 truck. We just have one vehicle and I have to look at the price of gas here, it converts to about 2.50 to 2.75 per gallon, and using the trailer on long weekends and a few weeks a year I figured it wasn't pratical to go with a bigger truck. Have a good day. Marvin.
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I got 9.5 mpg towing which is acceptable to me. I've heard V-10s are gas hogs...
My 2000 Excursion V10 4x4 3.73 gets 16.5 mpg+ freeway with passengers and luggage; 13.5 mpg combined city/highway; and a solid 10.5 mpg towing the 34' tri-axle.

I think those are pretty impressive real-world numbers for a 7000 lb truck towing an 8500lb trailer. My '85 325 with a 454 was doing REALLY well to eek 8 mpg out (of course it weighed 17,000lbs and then towed a '92 Lincoln on a dolly!)

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85MH325 is right. I've got a 2003 F250 V10 four door with 4wd auto and 3.73 and my mileage empty is about 15.5 and 11.5 to 12.5 towing my 26' Overlander. I had a 2000 model equipped the same way, put 140,000 miles on it and the mileage was exactly the same. I've towed with 1/2 tons and wouldn't do it again.
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Good input on the V-10s Roger & Paul. I found http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/home.html to be useful when I was considering a larger trailer and PowerStroke Fords. The first year of the new 6.0L diesels was troubled. I read on Intellidog that build dates after 9/30/03 had the new injectors and a number of other fixes. ... though I haven't tracked recent developments or experience. http://forums.thedieselstop.com/ubbthreads/ is a good resource.

Yup, I heard the same thing about GM gas engines & piston slap, GM being very dishonest & not backing their product, etc. (Doesn't relate to the Allison diesels at all!)
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If you will spend time on www.pickuptruck.com you will see that not all GM gas engines have problems. A few owners of the 5.3 engine have had CSK or piston slap, many of the 6 litre owners have reported it and just a few of the 8.1 owners have had problems. Some owners have had GM buy back their vehicles after arbitration and the "lemon law" many states have.

Johnhd on this forum has had no problems with his 6 litre engine and I have had no problems with my 8.1/Allison combination. I have a friend at work who had a 5.3 and started having engine problems other than CSK and after the dealer rebuilt his engine it still wasn't right. The dealer took it in trade for the next model year vehicle with the same engine and there hasn't been a problem.

Some of these problems started within the first 3,000-5,000 miles while others started later. Today it is the luck of the draw because you never know when you might get a poor quality part in your vehicle made by someone on a Monday morning or Friday afternoon. I've even have a friend locally who owns a vehicle repair facility who had to put in 3 transmissions from a reputable company before he got one that worked like it should.

Should we have to suffer? No, not one bit. Ford had problems with the first PSD but owned up to it and fixed the engines. They have had problems with the 6 litre diesel but have fixed them. I am a diehard Chevy fan and I don't really think that Chevy has stepped up to the plate to fix the short piston skirt problem, CSK, piston slap or whatever you want to call it because they realize it will cost them a fortune. I know they have come up with all kinds of explanations and have tried cleaning combustion chambers as a possible solution but it probably gets back to the short piston design that is causing the problem. Will they replace the pistons on all engines which make the noise? I'll believe it when I see it. They have given extended warranties to some owners but some have had to go all the way to arbitration.

I love my truck but chose the 8.1 over the 6 due to the number of problems I heard they were having. The 6 in a 2500hd would have been a sweet combination with a 25 ft. Safari.
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I appreciate all the talk on Ford and GM's but if we could get back to the topic of the Nissan Titan.......

I will be selling my MH soon and was considering the Titan that could be a tow vehicle in the future should I be able to convince my wife to buy another RV . The tow rating of 9,400 pounds sounds impressive and I've always been one to back off manufacturers claims by 25% or so. That puts it at 7,040 pounds. Why would a Titan not be able to safely pull a 28' Airstream? The 28' Safari SO weighs in at 6,700 before a few things and gear. The 30' Safari weighs in at 6,200 pound before options and gear. It appears the Titan should be able to handle them.

If you disagree, please explain why.
(1) There are better options
(2) You don't think it's a good tow vehicle
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After re-reading this thread, it appears some of you are comfortable with 1/2 ton trucks and others prefer a bigger vehicle that even farther exceeds the requirements for comfort and safety reasons.
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