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Old 07-28-2004, 11:56 AM   #15
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Old 07-28-2004, 04:34 PM   #16
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My husband and I are looking into the Nissan Armada for our replacement tow vehicle. Would really appreciate your feed back with the pro's & con's about this vehicle. Especially interested in long drive comfort level, fit & finish, and towing experience.

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I have now pulled my 27 foot Safari about 4000 miles with my new Armada. Previously, I pulled with an Expedition. While the Expedtion/Hensley were great, the Armada is even better. I a thoroughly pleased with the vehicle. fit and finish is good and the power is great. I am convinced that I could pull much more wieght--easily a 31 foot Airstream.

I have the LE which has the tow package--including transmission coolre and temperature gauge. I did but the tow mirrors which, installed, ran about $500.

I did not want the SE or the Offroad--the latter has 17 inchtires, as opposed to the 18 inch that the LE has.

Get the LE , you will love it. Overall this vehicle is only 2 inchs longer than the Expedition, but has a 4 inch longer wheelbase--and much more power and torque.
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Old 07-28-2004, 09:12 PM   #17
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Tow Package

If the Armada tow package is anything like the Titan tow package it is well worth it. Here is what I got with the Titan.

Increased towing capacity (considerable - I think about 7600 lbs to 9400)
Vehicle Dynamic Control - VDC
Lower final gear ratio
Heavy duty battery
Extendable outside mirrors
Auto transmission temperature gauge on dash
Class IV receiver hitch
7 pin wiring harness (BTW the same pin setup as Chevy)
Trailer brake controller pre-wiring under the dash

That seems to be a lot. The MSRP on the Titan was $600 add. I love the giant mirrors with the separate wide angle on the bottom that picks up the blind spot. They telescope out a few inches for towing.
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Old 07-29-2004, 08:31 PM   #18
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Were the extendable outside mirrors extra $$$?.

They were not included in my Armada Tow package. Everything else you mention was included.

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Old 07-29-2004, 09:21 PM   #19
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Were the extendable outside mirrors extra $$$?.

They were not included in my Armada Tow package. Everything else you mention was included.

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The extendable mirrors were included in the Titan Big Tow package.
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Old 07-31-2004, 10:48 AM   #20
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we got it!

Thanks everybody! We are picking up our Armada LE today, and are very excited. Will let you know later towing experience!

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I have a Titan and the same rules apply as they would with other half-ton trucks. The 'Tow Capacities' are north of 9000# now but that is not a very real picture... I love that it uses regular gas!!

The 'F.M.V.S.S. Certification Label' on the driver's door corner post will list the GVWR. My Titan LE's GVWR is 6499#. Consider this number to be a firm top end. Forum members can't say enough about towing safety and vehicle durability by following this guideline.

In the 'Technical and consumer information' area of the owner's manual I can readily look up that my 'Vehicle Load Weight Capacity' is 1255#. This will be the maximum weight I can put in or on the empty truck without exceeding the GVWR. This includes people and gasoline (28 gal @ 6.3# each for my truck) and stuff in my truck (including topper, canoe or whatever) and goshdarnitall tongue weight. All that without going over your tow vehicles GVWR... oops! No space to return the fruitcake to Aunt Duanna!!

For a safe tow, tongue weight will be 10-15% of your gross trailer weight. There has been some back and forth discussion about what influence weight distribution equipment does to the GVWR equation (CAT scales, measuring each axle's weight, etc.). I don't have the answer on that. What I do know is that carrying a normal load in my 4000-pound-empty trailer will put me right at my Titan's GVWR with my wife & I, our 2 dogs, full gas, and either a canoe or two bikes (but not both canoe and bikes).

Do your math. Be honest. My opinion is that a heavier current day 25-footer is too heavy for a 1/2-ton truck type tow vehicle.
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Old 07-31-2004, 07:40 PM   #22
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Question Mirrors for the Armada

Do we absolutely need to add those extending mirrors like the ones on the Titan to the Armada? Does anyone tow with the standard mirrors that come on the Armada. Are those Titan mirrors huge? Are there other alternatives?
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Thanks everybody! We are picking up our Armada LE today, and are very excited. Will let you know later towing experience!

Maryszka

CONGRADULATIONS!!!! Glad you bought it. We are just waiting to sell our Ford F-150, then we plan to make the purchase. We are sooooooo disgusted with Fords. Our F-150 has 56,000 miles and we now have to change the starter, changed the chrome bumper last month (completely rusted from inside out), had to service the air conditioner, which the fluid leaked out completely, the driver window works intermittently, soooooo we are very upset and will never purchase a Ford again. That's why a foreign SUV for towing is very appealing now. We have always owned Toyota's and never had these petty promblems. Our 1989 Toyota Camary has now 171,000 miles.

Just venting, had a horrible day with our truck.

Good luck Maryszka, I'm sure you'll love it. They have great reviews on the Nissan Armada. As a matter of fact, our neighbor just bought a black one 2 weeks ago!


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Those of you towing with the Armada or Titan be sure not to overload it and watch your tranny and rear axle fluid changes. As mentioned in a prior post, these vehicles have a lot of horsepower but are still based on 1/2 ton trucks, and there have been some problems with rear axle failures mentioned on RV.net. My understanding is that it uses a Dana 44 rear axle, not very large and normally found on the front of American 1/2 ton 4x4 trucks.

Just an FYI.
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We had a Ford van once, you know FORD stands for Fix Or Repair Daily!

It's a hot and miserable day to have all that car trouble.

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Yes, the Tow Package type mirrors are very nice -- and the convex mirrors are good for close alongside viewing with lane changes. Extendable mirrors of some sort are mandatory in some states? (or certainly when your trailer is as wide as 8' 6" as the new Airstreams are!) At the least I feel a lot safer being able to see a bit more around the sides of my trailer.

Tow capacity and pushing the limit are frequent subjects 'round these parts. Look at this link and follow some of the referenced threads. Silverback's 'Switching to Diesel' thread is interesting for pointing out the very fine Toyota Tundra's limits.

My experiences in January '04 of approaching transmission overheating in the W. Va. mountains while towing an empty 24' Argosy makes me very respectful about staying within specs -- of course it was the road from h***.

Take note of your Nissan's 500 mile break-in period before starting towing. Then the manual adds that you have a 2nd 500 mile do-not-exceed-speed when you do start towing.
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Old 08-01-2004, 08:00 AM   #27
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Nissian titan or amerada owners

I am thinking about buying a new Titan for towing a 22' as. Do I need to get the big tow package? The milage ratings on the standard rear end are 14 and 19 mpg. What is the mpg rating with the lower rear end on the big tow package?

What kind of milage are you getting towing and what are you towing? What kind of milage are you getting in everyday driving when not towing? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
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By the way, our Overlander is a '71, so I guess it is not as heavy as the new ones. We live on Long Island (very flat!) and like to drive slow and safely.

We do want to load up the trailer with EVERYTHING and get it weighed.
Where do you go to have it weighed?

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