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Old 08-10-2003, 05:50 PM   #1
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New VW Touareg initial impressions.....

Saw one today. Very nice SUV. Lots of saftey and of course German engineering.

If anyone has seen the V8 model, you've seen that it has a a muffler in the back that looks like it came off an 80s Chevy. Looks kind of like those big gas tanks! I can hardly figure out where they would place a weight distributing hitch that could tow 7000lbs.

The V6 has some space for it, but the V8, is it tight on space!

Cost for a loaded unit is approx $48k.

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$48K will get a nice GM Crew Cab Dually, L-O-A-D-E-D with Duramax/Allison. Actually a lot less with rebates, etc.

I like VW Jettas, have not seen a Toureg in person. I am sure it is a nice vehicle though. I like to see a "little more metal for the money", myself.
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Agreed.

I like the Duramax/Allison combo......heck, maybe I'd even upgrade to a Classic someday!
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Test drove a new Touareg the other day after seeing ads with it towing a 22'. Nicely appointed, comfortable, and, well, itsa VW. Looks like a WINNER for pulling a 22' CCD. Trailer weight limit: 7700 pounds with a tongue weight limit of 640 lbs - where does one see anything pertaining to a weight distribution hitch? Our dealer reports that this is not necessary or advised.

The V8 was around $50k, nicely configured with the suspension package, etc.

I know there are you truck die hards out there but some of us with dogs need a sportute as our only vehicle. I hate having the dogs running around the cab of a truck and toppers are flimsy and insecure against theft. And, hate to say it but diesels stink (literally)! http://www.thedesertsun.com/news/sto...12024855.shtml
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Old 08-14-2003, 07:30 PM   #5
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"where does one see anything pertaining to a weight distribution hitch? Our dealer reports that this is not necessary or advised"

A VW dealer may not be the best source of information on what is, or is not advisable for towing. At VW, the issue has not often come up before.

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Old 08-14-2003, 07:46 PM   #6
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Mark,

In your opinion is the weight distribution hitch required for pulling a 22'? Interested to hear why...

And, why would VW not be the best source for information regarding their vehicle?

I was at an A/S dealer the other day and had my '01 Land Rover with me. He laid all sorts of misinformation on me like I needed a weight distribution hitch to tow a 16' Bambi (LR, by the way, does NOT recommend a weight distribution hitch under ANY circumstances). This A/S dealer advised me that the problem related to the lack of a frame under the LR and that the add-on receiver wasn't strong enough (I just returned from a 2,700 mile trip through the mountains pulling my '67 Caravel without a glitch). Hardee har har!

The frame on the LR looks like two railroad tracks and of about equal strength. The receiver is part of the frame. This is NOT unibody construction. This was the dealership owner, of all people. Been in business since 1974! The guy didn't have a clue. So, where shall I find real good information? At the VW dealer, at the A/S dealer, or somewhere else (maybe this forum)?

Lay it on me!
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Old 08-14-2003, 07:59 PM   #7
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Forty Eight Thousand Dollars?!?!?

How about a duramax/allison suburban and a clothespin for your nose??

Man, that's a lot of cash for a vehicle thaqt's probably going to be majorly expensive the repair and has no history behind it ....
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A nicely appointed Suburban costs over $50k nowadays and has a #5,000 tow limit without a weight distribution hitch (WDH). A Toyota Land Cruiser is about $60k and can carry #6,500 behind it (no WDH required). Range Rovers are around $72,500 (#7,700, no WDH). BMW X5 is over $50k (and can't tow much at all). Times are a changing...

The Touareg is a very nice sportute that has an incredible towing capacity. It is safe and well engineered. Its abilities off-road are very impressive. Trust me, I have done all the homework between the aforementioned brands, above. The VW exceeds in most all capabilities except when you compare, for instance, the Suburban's space volume. The VW is smaller but has a healthy wheelbase, nonetheless.

Trouble with diesels is that they are coming under intense pressure to clean up their acts. That's the facts...
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67caravel,

Nothing was said about a 22' CCD specificially. I would have to have the weight, tongue weight, front and rear axle weight limits of the vehicle, cgwr, and probably a few things I can't think of right now to make an informed decision about weight distribution on the rig you specified.

What WAS said was it has a 7,000 lb. tow rating. Now, I tow an '85 Sovereign, 25', with an on the road weight of ~ 5,500 lbs. I guarantee it will unload the front wheels of my Chevy 4X4 diesel considerable without weight distribution. And it has a far longer wheelbase, and I'm willing to bet considerable more front end weight.

I would suspect any car dealer of being uniformed about hitches generally, and weight distribution hitches specifically. I would be more than suspicious of a dealer who has never before had anything to sell with any kind of tow rating.

Now, they may very well have all the facts, and may be absolutely correct. But I would want more than the salesman's word for it.

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Mark,

I am missing some of your thread. Please resend it. Very interested to hear your comments. Thanks.
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Sorry, somehow I managed to post in mid sentence. I think I have it edited now.

I just re read your statement about the AS dealer. You would think that people who sell trailers for a living would know something about hitches, but in my experience they are ignorant beyond belief - perhaps wilfully so.

Salesmen just want to move the iron. They can and will tell you anything they think you might want to hear.

I gotta tell you, the more I think about "weight distribution not recommended" and a 7,000 lb. capacity, the more nevous I get. That combo has GOT to seriously unload the front wheels! Or am I missing something important?

The VW does have one attribute that mitigates tongue weight somewhat, and that is a very short rear axle-hitch distance. (I use "axle" in its theoretical sense - I think the new VW has independent suspension). This helps balance a great deal both from a tongue weight angle and from a sway angle.

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You know, I appreciate your comments very much. Now I am learning something.
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Mark,

Maybe you can tell me (us) what is so important about a weight distribution hitch; how it works, what it does, how much it costs, etc.. It would be helpful. Thanks.
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We are straying rather far from the original post, so the moderator may want to move these last few posts to a new topic heading.

Here is a link that may help: http://www.hitchesonline.com/hitch_selection.htm

There is also a lot on this topic in the archives.

A weight distribution hitch does just that - distributes the weight of the trailer load over the front and rear wheels. You can easily imagine placing enough weight on a hitch to actally lift the front of the car off the ground. Well, even smaller amounts of weight on a hitch will raise the front of the car (or unload the suspension, as the engineers say), which affects handling. The amount of the effect depends upon the amount of the weight and the lever arm distance between the center of the rear "axle" and the hitch ball. In addition, you can overload the rear wheels, which causes problems with the differential, the tires, and everything in between.

In the case cited, the Toureg has a 7,000 lb. towing capacity. Since you usually want ~ 10 - 12% of the total weight on the tongue, that is maybe as much as 840 lbs. on the hitch ball. And remember, that 840 lbs is multiplied by the 30" or so of leverage between the center of the axle and the hitch ball itself.

In the case of the 22' CCD the as-delivered tongue weight is a rather high 620 lbs. Of course, if most storage is aft the trailer axle, that may actually decrease in real use. But generally, and this is the broadest sort of generalization, I think weight distribution is recommended for tongue weights over 500 lbs.

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