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Old 11-17-2003, 08:15 AM   #43
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Beware of the Touareg!

To anyone considering the VW Touareg please think again! I'm the poor guy in the CBS piece who first reported this problem to VW. I went through a very heated battle with VW for months and finally after contacting CBS they relented and re-purchased my Touareg and gave me a full refund.

I am now towing my 22ft CCD with a Lincoln Aviator and it's a breeze.

Please stay away from that car if you are towing anything other than a couple of jetskis or something. They have not fully tested it's capabilities, and it's not worth the risk.

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Old 11-17-2003, 09:09 AM   #44
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Bluvalley-

I've followed your difficulties with the Airstream/Touareg towing combination on the VWvortex T-reg forum and viewed the CBS segment. You've been through a very frustrating experience and I'm glad you're happy with your new setup.

I'm curious, though, was the nature of the problem due to the fact that VW requires the use of their ball/hitch stinger in order to be covered under their warranty? (Thus preventing the use of a weight-distributing hitch setup)

Or, are there other factors involved with the Touareg which led to your conclusions.
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Old 11-17-2003, 08:42 PM   #45
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BluValley,

Am I understanding the previous posting that the Touareg's tow equipment doesn't allow for load leveling bars? No wonder you wer having problems!
We tow a 3300 lbs 20 ft 1967 Airstream Globetrotter with an '03 Discovery Land Rover with no air load- leveling rear suspension, just coil springs all way around.
We use an Equalizer brand load-leveling hitch and it tows beautifully.
Good work grinding on a major auto company.
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Old 11-17-2003, 09:24 PM   #46
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Re: Beware of the Touareg!

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To anyone considering the VW Touareg please think again! I'm the poor guy in the CBS piece who first reported this problem to VW. I went through a very heated battle with VW for months and finally after contacting CBS they relented and re-purchased my Touareg and gave me a full refund.

I am now towing my 22ft CCD with a Lincoln Aviator and it's a breeze.

Please stay away from that car if you are towing anything other than a couple of jetskis or something. They have not fully tested it's capabilities, and it's not worth the risk.

Bluvalley
Only a 22'? That is way under what our overenthusiastic friends from Germany said it would do! They claim something like 7000lb towing capacity, and the CCD should weigh a little under 4000.
I am not familiar with the Lincoln version you have. Does it have a V8, or the 4.0 V6?
And let me add my congratulations for winning the battle with VW.
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Old 11-18-2003, 08:28 AM   #47
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The Lincoln Aviator is an upscale Ford Explorer, but with a 302 hp V8 (vs the 239 HP V8 available in the Explorer). Should be a great tow vehicle.
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Old 11-18-2003, 10:01 AM   #48
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What VW specifically told me was that they would not recommend using a weight distribution sytem and that in order to not void the warranty I had to use their supplied arm/ball which of course would not work.

So that was the main problem. The underlying issue is the fact that the car is a unibody construction so it is not clear how a weight distribution system would affect the frame, if at all. Bottom line, to many questions and not enough answers.

As for the numbers VW provided, 616 tongue weight and 7700 lb towing capacity, I truly feel that these numbers were pulled out of thin air and were clearly overstated to sell the vehicle to a broader market. They even admitted as much.

In the end I did get my money back as a result of there "mishap" but I still haven't been able to use my Airstream since I bought it. Living in the Northeast most campgrounds are closed as of 10/15, so now I have to wait until next Spring.

I did take it on one trip. To the dealer to have it winterized. Boo Hoo.

Anyway, this is a great forum and I'm looking forward to sharing my first camping trip once it happens.

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Old 11-19-2003, 05:36 PM   #49
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In the end I did get my money back as a result of there "mishap" but I still haven't been able to use my Airstream since I bought it. Living in the Northeast most campgrounds are closed as of 10/15, so now I have to wait until next Spring.

I did take it on one trip. To the dealer to have it winterized. Boo Hoo.

Anyway, this is a great forum and I'm looking forward to sharing my first camping trip once it happens.

Bluvalley
You could come to South Florida. Our camping season has just started. Temps in the low 80's, lower humidity, fewer mosquitoes, less rain.
6 million winter residents can't be wrong...
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Old 11-19-2003, 06:29 PM   #50
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As I was at the dealership today having my Burb fixed, I walked over to the VW section(multi-dealership) and, got a bird's eyeview of the underside of the Touareg.
Yes, everything you said is completely consisted with what I could judge..I didn't test drive it but, as for the finish, I completely agree.
Interesting tho, in talking to the sales manager, they are being told by VW now, that only a Class 3 or Class 2 receiver can be installed. Also, VW is stressing not the spec of the tow weigh but, more importantly..the spec on the tongue weigh`!
Just thought I'd throw that in for what it's worth, since it seems to be the latest grind..

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Old 11-19-2003, 06:30 PM   #51
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I have driven the 03 model. It is a very nice car, SUV or whatever they call it. The V-8 makes it a rocket. So much of one that if you aren't careful you could kiss your license good bye. The hitch is a dealer installed option that goes in behind the bumper. The dealership that I went to said that they actually remove the bumper to install the hitch. I have seem one installed and it looks good under there. Now as for the 7700# tow rating...I'm not to sure it would do a good job with my '86 32' Excella. Over all a great ride. We are considering purchasing one.
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Old 11-19-2003, 06:42 PM   #52
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Thanks Terry,

I just might consider that. My mother and Aunt are both there for the winter and they keep bugging me to visit.

Happy Thanksgiving!
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From the North American Auto Show WEB site today,

"At the NAIAS 2004, the German automaker will debut one of the most powerful diesel engines ever available in a passenger vehicle. The Touareg, VWs new SUV, will feature a 5.0-liter V10 TDI engine that will produce more than 550 lb-ft of torque at just 2000 rpm. In addition, the Passat TDI, Jetta GLI and the sporty Golf R32 will be featured. Also on hand will be the Concept R roadster, first shown at the Frankfurt Motor Show last September."
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Touareg good tow vehicle?

Just got my latest copy of RV Lifestyle, they are testing the Touareg with a 28 ft Airstream. First the VW dealer installed a trailer hitch, with a towning capacity of 7,716 pounds. (I think that was the main problem with the hitch on the CBS tape.) Then they installed a Hensley on the Airstream. This is one of the coments. (An outstanding tow vehicle,the Touareg easily pulled the 6,700 pound Airstream. It handled sudden lane changes at highway speeds effortlessy, with no evidence of body rolll or of diving in the corners.) Not what I would want for a tow vehicle bud don't like seeing VW get a bad rap because something wasn't set up properly. Marvin
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Marvin, did they happen to mention in the article whether the Touareg was equipped with the optional air suspension? I was just wondering how this might interact with the weight distribution effects of the Hensley. Any guesses at what the hitch weight of the Airstream plus the added weight of the Hensley is? Is it over their recommended hitch weight??? It's got to be getting close!
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P.S. Here's the link to the magazine's website with a couple of teasers for the articlewww.rvlifemag.com and a picture of the T*reg with RV mirrors and a Hensley visible!
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Dallas, Yes they said their test vechicle was equiped with air suspension but didn's say anything about the effects on the trailer. Also they said that this was a 30ft classic but they also said that the dry weight was 6700 pounds which is the dry weight of a 28 ft. I think the 30 ft classic is a little over 7000. Marvin
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