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Old 08-15-2003, 10:02 AM   #29
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MY experiencece with parts availability, parts quality etc. has always been a favorable one with the imports, and was often very disappointing when it came to the domestics.
But i do not live in rural Nebraska, rather in LA Metro area......
I find as many redicoulously priced parts for my Dodge, and formerly for my Ford Cargo van, as I do for our other cars. ( Mercedes Benz).
The difference is, my MB's were never on the tow truck, not in Oklahoma, New Mexico or anywhere. It's been my experience that the US Iron often needs help, both minor AND major stuff. I leave town in the Ford or Dodge, and always take a few extra credit cards.
I take the MB wagon, and feel much more secure with my family. I know - it can't tow anything. Luckily I never did break down while towing.
All I am suggesting is that there is no or little need to consider parts problems with a Touareg. Chances are you won't need any real soon. Besides, people living real far froma VW dealer won't probably buy one anyways.
It shares many items with the Porsche Cayenne, by the way.
And VW does have extensive towing experience. New Europe was built with VW and Mercedes professional trucks. I have owned and operated vehicles from both sides of the current towing philosophy on this forum, and am NOT convinced that the " American Iron" approach is better than the " engineered" one. As you can see from my other thread, I am currently looking for an alternative to the Dodge for towing. I have already tried a few of the less popular options and was pleasantly surprised. Most likely I will end up with a Suburban or full size van, because they're cheap to buy used, and i don't want to tie up too much in a truck I really don't want to use every day.
It will definitely not be a Touareg, though, those are out of my budget.
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I have owned and operated vehicles from both sides of the current towing philosophy on this forum, and am NOT convinced that the " American Iron" approach is better than the " engineered" one.
I guess every manufacturer has an occasional lemon, but my Mercedes was the only vehicle that I have ever had to have towed and had the worst repair record of any vehicle I have owned since my '73 Blazer.

My last 4 "American Iron" vehicles have never needed to go back to the dealer for warrenty service. My Mercedes took 4 trips to the dealer just to get the air conditioning working. Over the ten years I owned the Mercedes, just about everything you could name went bad. The paint disintegrated. The dashboard split (replaced under warrenty). Both rear window regulators broke. The electric window switches failed. The speedometer failed. The sunroof clutch failed. Brakes had a pityful short life. etc. etc. The only thing I could give Mercedes an "A" on is the interior; carpet and seats. The Mercedes automatic transmission was atrocious.

My Silverado has been flawless and the Buick nearly so. My current "unengineered" Buick has 40k miles and the Silverado has 28k miles, almost all towing. The worst failure on either vehicle to date is that the glove box hinge on the Buick broke. Except for tires on the Buick, there has been no expense for either vehicle beyond normal maintenance.
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John,
As i stated, it's my and my family's experience, and probably not the norm. we just happen to spend severely more money on repairs on the US made vehicles. My records show more money spent on my Dodge van, then on the 3 mercedes together over the last year. This is despite the fact that the Dodge gets driven the least amount of miles.
My son has a 1/2 ton 1998 Chevrolet pickup, with a 5.0 I believe. He bought it when it was one year old and has put tons of money in it. Trans, Axle overhaul, A/C, and more.
I just don't think that our American vehicles are more reliable than others. Between our 4 immediate families, definitely more of our cash goes to the domestic dealers. Remember, I am referring to unscheduled repairs and maintenance items only.
The term " unengineered" was not aimed at YOUR new Buick, but rather at MY current and past vans and SUV's.
And, I am not entirely ungreatful to my Dodge, because in all it's crude glory, it did carry me and my stuff for many miles now ( almost230K), all over the country.
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My records show more money spent on my Dodge van, then on the 3 mercedes together over the last year. This is despite the fact that the Dodge gets driven the least amount of miles.

And, I am not entirely ungreatful to my Dodge, because in all it's crude glory, it did carry me and my stuff for many miles now ( almost230K), all over the country.
I'd expect, that with over 200k on your Dodge that you probably will be spending a fairly high dollar amount on repairs. I don't think that would be unexpected at all What you didn't include in this post was whether your three Mercedes also have 230k miles each, so we don't know what to anticipate for them for maintenance. I'd expect that a Mercedes with 230k would also be facing some significant expenses for repairs.

Actually, my point wasn't that there's anything more or less reliable about the VW vs anything else; it's that the dealer, mechanic & parts network in MOST of the U.S. is about domestics. I'm not willing to risk the (relatively) scarce parts availability and lack of support for imports that you find throughout much of the country for my tow car.

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Roger,
Agreed on your point of view.
There are definitely more domestic dealers athan there will ever be for VW.
And better parts availability etc.
I have a 300TE with over 200k miles on it. It's been very good to us, considering the beating it gets every day.
The second one is a 1973 220D. It also gets used extremely hard, and put away wet very often. i have no clue how many miles it has, since the odometer only shows 5 digits. i turned it over once myself, at least.
I am guessing it to be aroun 300k by now.
The third one is a 1959 Mercedes sedan. This one we should not count into the equation since i only use it once a week or so for fun.
The mileages of my imports vs. the domestics are pretty closely matched, I suppose.
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The thread's diverged pretty far from the original subject...namely, the VW Touareg.

I test drove a V8 and talked with our local dealer as I'm interested in one primarily as a commuter and secondarily as a future tow vehicle. My impression is that this is a wonderful vehicle to drive. Beautiful fit and finish--on a par with Mercedes in feel of quality. On a par with the BMW X5 4.4i in terms of handling. Acceleration with the VW is not as impressive as the BMW. However, the brakes on the VW are oustanding! The suspension is taught, but not quite as firm/busy as the BMW. It turns on a dime and gives about 7 cents change!

Would it pull an Airstream well? That's another story. I think I'd look at it to tow up to 5000# on flat terrain. Mountains, with the current V8, I'd take that down another 1000# or so if you want to run with traffic up mountain passes. It just doesn't seem to have the guts that I have with my PSD. Of course, there's about 4000# less tow vehicle weight, too! Don't discount the fact that there's a five-speed tranny in there AND you have a LOW range that's usable for towing on pavement (e.g., getting started up a really steep hill). The transmission is not equiped with a tow/haul mode, but is adaptive, and you can manually adjust your gear setting ala "tiptronic". My money is waiting on the V10 twin turbo diesel engine to hit our shores in 2004. With 310hp and 550ft-lb torque (at 2000 rpm) it would make nice work of yanking a 7000# Airstream.

The hitch is an after-production, dealer installed accessory. It is similar in overall concept of installation and pricing to that used for the BMW X5--which I've also investigated. The entire back end of the vehicle must be taken down in order to do the install. Eventually, the receiver is welded to the body/frame attachement points for the rear axle. There is a new bumper fascia installed when it's all said and done, too. My dealer has not put one on yet! I would not want my $41,000 vehicle to be their learning curve!

The hitch is around $695 and it takes about 4 hours labor (@$70/hr) to install. Our V-dub dealer said there are only about 260 hitches in the country at this time. Total bill for install would come close to $975. That's just the hitch. They did not know specifically how the brake controller would be wired in.

The specs on VW hitch (from the dealer) are max. tounge weight 700# and max tow weight 7716#.

The air suspension can be "locked out" and that sounds good to me for towing with a weight distributing hitch.

I hope this was some meaningful info for someone. Let's say, for now, I'm still sticking with American iron, but this vehicle's a temptation! Not helped by the fact they have a nice big picture of one pulling an Airstream in the brochure!
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Old 09-01-2003, 01:01 PM   #35
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Touareg and Airstream

DWELL magazine has a four page ad for the Touareg pulling an Airstream. The first two pages show a VW Beetle and the results of hitching an Airstream to it. Turn the page and it shows the Touareg with the same Airstream with everything hunky dory.
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Thumbs down Touareg NOT for Airstreams!!!!

Found this from another forum... thought I ought to share it with everyone... Here's a MUST-SEE video from CBS Channel 2 in New York City regarding those cute, but misleading ads from VW on the Touareg towing the Airstream...

http://wcbs.dayport.com/viewer/viewe...cbsviewer2.tpl

Sorry everyone who is seriously considering this new VW... know what your weights are!!!

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VW Touareg/Airstream Farce

http://www.cbsnewyork.com/shamestori...303155456.html

Some of the Airstream owner's (bluvalley) posts:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1017880

and others:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1077613

These courtesy of SuburbanBoy and DaveH on the Classic Boston Whaler Forum.
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Cost for a loaded unit is approx $48k.

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What is the real story?!



I need to get a new second vehicle. I won't do any long towing, leaving that to the Yukon, but occasionally to pick up the A/S after work to get ready for a trip. I stopped by the local VW dealer to see what the newly revised towing specs are after the admission that it will not handle 7K pounds.

Five sales people at two dealers, including managers, INSISTED, that the T-reg will easily handle 7K and an 880 pound tongue weight.

Be careful...these peole have no idea what they are talking about at these VW dealerships. They are totally unfamiliar with towing issues and the dynamics of a large trailer behind vehicle.

Nothing against the T-reg...it looks like a great vehicle, but beware the claims of the sales people at places like this, BMW, Mercedes, etc. The claims are too extreme to be safely relied upon.
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Sad to say

but it seems to be true. Autoweek magazine reported that VW is buying back Touregs and pulling the ads as well.
Sigh....I was looking forward to getting one used in a few years, but I still may be o.k., I just need to weigh my trailer.

I believe the tongue wt. max listed by Autoweek is 660#'s.
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