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Old 12-15-2007, 08:57 PM   #15
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Thanks for the info! I have an 07 Tundra. How do you find out where it was made?
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:58 PM   #16
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Thanks for the info! I have an 07 Tundra. How do you find out where it was made?
You'll be able to tell by VIN. Give your Toyota dealer a call Monday, and give him your VIN, they'll be able to tell you if it is subject to recall.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:50 PM   #17
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Is Toyota the new GM?

While I replaced my '02 Tundra specifically because I wanted a Tundra to fit the Airstream I was going to buy, I had no problems with the '02 (except for the ball joint recall—glad to a get a partial front end rebuild for free) and had absolutely no problems with the '99 Tacoma I had before that, or the '00 4Runner my wife had. We buy Toyotas for reliability.

The '07 Tundra is a far superior truck to the '02, but the various issues that are coming up with it and have come up with other Toyotas in recent years are making us wonder. Changing the oil on the 5.7 L. engine was the most difficult I have ever done in 40+ years of doing my own—no way to make friends. No problems for 5,000 miles and tows our 25' Safari FB without problems.

At one time GM made the best mass production cars and trucks and dominated the North American market. They got fat and sloppy. Even though GM is making much better vehicles now, their reputation is still bad and it will take them years to live down their past.

Is Toyota going down the same road? Toyota claimed they were going to fix the problem of expanding faster than they were training QC people several years ago. They acknowledged the problem and I thought their reputation was important to them. Maybe it wasn't; there's still a problem. Toyota still is rated higher than any other truck manufacturer by Consumer Reports. It'll be a while before we're in the market for new vehicles, so we'll see how Toyota responds. Since many people buy Toyotas almost entirely because of reliability, Toyota is in a very vulnerable position.

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Old 12-17-2007, 07:01 PM   #18
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As much as I'd like to say ha ha, the fact is that most of what's out there is pretty good stuff. My '04 Burb has been pretty darn good (though it was assembled in Mexico).

Toyota has lost sight of it's roots, just as many automakers before it. Isn't the first and won't be the last.

Toyota has spread itself thin. They say they aren't looking for the #1 slot, but in reality, that's exactly what they are after, real braggin' rights, and why not? Lots of the vehicles they use to make were top quality stuff. Now, it's not all that it use to be. The good ol days of the folks having a job with the company for life(Toyota, Datsun-now Nissan, Honda, etc) are long gone.

A number of the "foregin" cars are now made here in America. Great for employment, but the same QC issues that are found with the domestics are now starting to really surface with the "imports" made here. Made from the same labor force as the domestics. There is a larger issue here no one really talks about and it has nothing to do with the company or the products per se, has to do with we lazy Americans. Not trying to generalize here, but we as a nation have lost sight of ourselves. There is very little pride in what is done today. There is LOTS of greed to go around and the middle class gets smaller daily and the haves vs the have nots also grows. The auto industry, both foreign and domestic, built here are but just one example. If we are not careful, we will be a service only nation. How could this be? Ever see test scores of our kids compared to the rest of the world? I digress though....

Eventually, Toyota and the others will get it straightened out, but GM is hungry again...so is Ford...don't count them out, and yes, this WILL impact the recovery of the "imports" now that they are being seen as no longer being near perfect vehicles.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:20 PM   #19
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I remember when they brought the first brought in Datsuns, Toyopets and the first generation Suzukis into the west coast fifty years ago. These cars were genuine crap. But, since the Japanese factories got government subsidies, the dealers bent over backwards to keep customers satisfied. Any guesses as to how much Honda spent to replace Civic interiors back in the late seventies?

Toyota Dealers keep customers happy because they don't have to discount as there are fewer than 1500 dealerships vs. almost 4000 Ford dealers. State franchise laws prevent the Big 3 from closing marginal dealers. Too, they had product that looked pretty good quality wise compared to the domestic stuff the UAW built in the 80's.

The Japanese DO NOT make better vehicles! However, they do a far better job of handling recalls and making sure the customer is happy.

I refused to co-sign loans for Japanese trucks when my sons were in the market fror new vehicles. Their Rangers have been just as servicable as their friend's Toyotas and Nissans. And far cheaper to repair.
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:53 PM   #20
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Actually--

the domestic labor force is pretty good. A while back it was reported that US built Accords had fewer QC issues than Accords built in Japan.

A number of the "foregin" cars are now made here in America. Great for employment, but the same QC issues that are found with the domestics are now starting to really surface with the "imports" made here. Made from the same labor force as the domestics.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:19 PM   #21
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The cars are assembled here not completely manufactured here. That's a big difference. Our workers are merely taking their parts and putting them together. So they take the drive shafts with the faulty u joints and install them in the Tundra. The blame goes right to Toyota not the workes or the plant here.
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I think that almost all of the 07 Tundra's components are made in the US.
They make a big deal out of this, trying to deflect anti-import sentiments.
But there are a lot of US jobs created, all the way down the supply pipeline, as well as an increased tax base for the lucky cities that have these factories.
The corporate profits, on the other hand, go right back to Toyota.

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I think that almost all of the 07 Tundra's components are made in the US.
They make a big deal out of this, trying to deflect anti-import sentiments.
OK-you did it...I'll get on my soap box again!

I worked for a tier supplier to the US automotive industry for many years, it is no secret that when the Japanese build an assembly plant here, they bring ALL their suppliers with them, right down to the fasteners. They do NOT source from US companies.

While I am GM to the bone, you would be hard pressed to find any junk for sale nowadays, including-yikes-Korean!

What does that mean?
The old and tired argument to buy foreign because the (perceived) quality is better, is no longer valid. US autos are every bit as high quality as anything else for sale. And if we talk about trucks, more capable than what others currently have for sale.

Jobs created? Yes, at a fraction of what UAW wages are...is that funny? Not if you, or your friends, are UAW employees...do you want to earn a lower salary next year!
Did the legacy health care cost hurt the UAW and the US auto industry? Oh yeah, but that all changed this fall.
Why do people take this isuue so lightly?
The automotive industry is so important to the US economy.
Will you be happy if there are no US cars/trucks left to buy?
How about US made computer and networks at you bank?
Or no US made telecommunications systems?
How about Chinese made jets to fly on?

Where does it end?

We all make choices...I'll spend my money on US products whenever possible, and I will go out of my way to find them.

OK, all done for now...

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p.s. Heard about both sliding doors falling off Sienna mini vans 2004 and newer?

No recall issued-hush, hush, just like the sludge problem...
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:26 AM   #24
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BillTex,
My hat's off to you for speaking the truth.
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the domestic labor force is pretty good. A while back it was reported that US built Accords had fewer QC issues than Accords built in Japan.

A number of the "foregin" cars are now made here in America. Great for employment, but the same QC issues that are found with the domestics are now starting to really surface with the "imports" made here. Made from the same labor force as the domestics.
I beg to differ...my wife has owned 3 Accords. One made in Japan and two made in Ohio. Both the Ohio Accords were total junk(the one she has, a 2004, is a still a piece of junk). Fit, finish, squeaks, componet failures, you name it, both Ohio built Accords are nowhere near the QC of the Accord she had that was built in Japan. My buddy here at work, had an Accord that was also built in Japan. Had nearly 200k on it. Loved it. Thought as we did, the newer Accords are just as good. Bought a 2001, made in Ohio. Same exact issues, the car is basically falling apart. Take both my 1996 Chevy Impalas. Both made at the Arlington, Texas plant. Both had a number of issues...bolts found in the trunk, squeeks, rattles, component failures. My 2004 3/4 Suburban, assembled in Mexico has had zero issues with fit, finish, or quality of build. Had a few componet issues, but that was not due to assembly. Though these do not show a clear mandate, it does show that the vehicles built here, be it with a domestic or foreign company are for the most part more prone to issues at least in our exp.

Keeping it Airstream related, my Airstream is made in Jackson Center, Ohio, down the street from some of the Honda facilities. It was not constructed very well. As I posted on another thread around here, when I did some work on it, I had opened a place that was out of sight normally. I found a suffed up McDonald's wrapper in one of the inner skin openings. Now before I get all down on Airstream for the production issues I've seen with them, keep in mind most RVs are made domestically, by domestic companies, most are far worse than any car you'd ever encounter in terms of quality of build, etc. Makes my Airstream look like a real well built RV, but then again, in comparison to what's out there, it isn't really saying all that much.

I am an American, and as much as I hate to say it, the statement I made above is entirely true. We Americans have become too complacent. That said, I'm still buying domestic wherever I can, regardless of how much domestic it is....
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I beg to differ...my wife has owned 3 Accords. One made in Japan and two made in Ohio. Both the Ohio Accords were total junk(the one she has, a 2004, is a still a piece of junk). Fit, finish, squeaks, componet failures, you name it, both Ohio built Accords are nowhere near the QC of the Accord she had that was built in Japan. My buddy here at work, had an Accord that was also built in Japan. Had nearly 200k on it. Loved it. Thought as we did, the newer Accords are just as good. Bought a 2001, made in Ohio. Same exact issues, the car is basically falling apart. Take both my 1996 Chevy Impalas. Both made at the Arlington, Texas plant. Both had a number of issues...bolts found in the trunk, squeeks, rattles, component failures. My 2004 3/4 Suburban, assembled in Mexico has had zero issues with fit, finish, or quality of build. Had a few componet issues, but that was not due to assembly. Though these do not show a clear mandate, it does show that the vehicles built here, be it with a domestic or foreign company are for the most part more prone to issues at least in our exp.
Some would attribute these differences to changes in corporate philosophy ("cost savings"), not the individual worker.
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