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07-23-2014, 06:52 AM
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I saw this yesterday. The only caveat is the video is produced by Ford (or their affiliates), so the results should be taken by a grain of salt. Not that F150 is not a great truck
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07-23-2014, 07:55 AM
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Interesting video. Very impressive show by the Ford. I never knew that it was important to race up a hill while towing a trailer. I guess it is to appeal to the testosterone thought process in me. I'd bet that the RAM was EGT limiting in the (wrong) gear selected. It would be a better test (in my eyes) to see these three do a 1,000 mile test tow in varying conditions and report things such as fuel cost.
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07-23-2014, 08:18 AM
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Video is clearly a commercial for Ford. There is a reason science bases decisions on double blinded tests. Most trucks designed for towing are all capable of doing the job. It really comes down to personal preference. I'm not a mechanical or engineering expert - I do medicine. All these trucks are designed by good engineers who are balancing many factors to achieve performance vs cost. The differences are usually very minimal.
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07-23-2014, 09:08 AM
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Yeah I tend to agree with 'Top'. Test are hard to conduct. A driver may know how to get a little more out of an engine and what gear to be in. There are so many variables. Heck the Dodge (ram) programmers could go in and remap that diesel and get more out of it.(maybe not)
Maybe people might like that high RPM stuff from a little motor.
I do like a lot of free revving RPM when on my Triumph and its cool in my IS350. I don't like high RPM in my truck.
Its cool if you pay for the test, you should win it.
I will have to find my favorite video of a test.
Have a good one!
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07-23-2014, 10:20 AM
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The road to Davis dam proper, 2 to 3 miles long, an access road just off 68, to Kathrine's landing on Lake Mojave in the Lake Mead Rec area is in a 45 speed zone. This "test" was on hwy 68, Bullhead City to Kingman. About 16 miles to the summit from the last traffic light from BHC @ Davis camp. Look at the shadows thrown from the "test", not quite high noon, looks like morning. Which would keep most of this section in the shade until 9am+/-.
Where are those Mythbuster guys when you need them?
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07-23-2014, 11:33 AM
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We phoned Ford trying to enter that test, but I think they were afraid to return our calls.
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07-23-2014, 11:38 AM
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You can't tow that with that!
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07-23-2014, 12:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hony
You can't tow that with that!
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The worst part is the location of the trailer jack when bending over to check the oil!
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07-23-2014, 12:32 PM
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Seriously though-
What is the payload and towing capacity of a VW Transporter?
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07-23-2014, 12:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldVwHunters
We phoned Ford trying to enter that test, but I think they were afraid to return our calls.
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I'm wondering how my F-250 with the infamous 6.0L PSD would have fared... one gallon of coolant spilled, or more? (Yes, I'm frustrated with it.)
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07-23-2014, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hony
Seriously though-
What is the payload and towing capacity of a VW Transporter?
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With approximately seventy two cubic inch, and 36 hp, read it and weep!
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07-23-2014, 02:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m.hony
Seriously though-
What is the payload and towing capacity of a VW Transporter?
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Sorry, I forgot you asked about the towing capacity.
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07-23-2014, 04:49 PM
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Nice
Quote:
Originally Posted by OldVwHunters
We phoned Ford trying to enter that test, but I think they were afraid to return our calls.
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Love that Transporter! Have you entertained the thought of putting a Porsche engine in the rear of it? When I was very young, a few years back, helped a fellow VW enthusiast, install a Chevy Corvair engine in a VW van. Ran pretty good. Sorry to get off-topic, was overwhelmed by the Transporter.
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07-23-2014, 07:10 PM
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A true 1/2 ton...
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07-23-2014, 08:19 PM
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Learned to drive in one of these. Went like this.... first gear (rummmmm) lasted 2 seconds to 5 mph, second gear (crunch, crunch, crunch......), first gear......
Linkage on those bus's to the transmission was terrible.
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07-24-2014, 05:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Top
Interesting video. Very impressive show by the Ford. I never knew that it was important to race up a hill while towing a trailer. I guess it is to appeal to the testosterone thought process in me. I'd bet that the RAM was EGT limiting in the (wrong) gear selected... .
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Well, since that's the J2807 standard test that they all have to pass, the only way they can say "mine is better" is to race 'em.
The test just says they have to be able to do it, maintain 40mph, with no warnings displayed to the driver.
If you look at the video, you can see that the diesel pulls off the line faster...but can't maintain it, which is just what should be expected; it doesn't have a lot of horsepower, which is a measure of work over time; it does have a lot of torque.
I also thought it was interesting how they underscored the fact that the F150 is "considerably less than 5000lbs", so it has less work to do than the others.
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07-24-2014, 06:08 AM
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Finally watched the video. Okay, that's a pretty impressive showing - the V6 Ecoboost beat a V8 by several seconds. I'm less impressed by it beating the Ram diesel, but it's still interesting. Assuming the test was done legitimately, of course.
I know people do it, and I've even seen them myself, but I'm still floored by a V6 Ecoboost towing a 30' trailer like ours. I like the idea of a better-mannered, cheaper truck.
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07-24-2014, 07:19 AM
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Patriotic
1973 23' Safari
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kscherzi
Learned to drive in one of these. Went like this.... first gear (rummmmm) lasted 2 seconds to 5 mph, second gear (crunch, crunch, crunch......), first gear......
Linkage on those bus's to the transmission was terrible.
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It was my first, as well. I found that the key to this was to not try and "fight" the shifter; just apply a little pressure in the general direction of the gear position you're aiming for, and as you let off the clutch (gently!), it will just pop into gear by itself.
Even back then (early 80's) when there were tons of them around, it was still kind of a "novelty", and friends would want to drive it...watching them flail that looong sloppy stick around, trying to find the gears, was a hoot!I
Its fun looking at those old specs...must be 60's vintage. Mine was a 73, and had the Porsche motor...went a heckofalot faster than 56mph (well..given enough acceleration time. LOL).
That payload, though--~1800lbs--beats the heck out of my Dodge pickup.
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07-24-2014, 10:35 AM
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Those old Nazi foot lockers could take a royal butt whooping and keep on rolling. I've owned a few Beetles in my lifetime. Easy to work on and fun to drive.
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