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Old 09-21-2015, 07:24 PM   #29
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All of these trucks seem to have improved tremendously over the past few years in terms of driveablity. The are much quieter, smoother, and an all around better ride. You cannot compare a new generation truck with an older truck if you are looking for a nice ride. They are all nice, I would probably go with what I could get the best deal on.

Having said that, get me a old F250 with a 7.3 and I'll show you a workhorse that won't die. I have literately seen them beaten to the point they lose body parts but still keep going. My father in-law has a fleet of 20 Ford Supercrews for his concrete business and the old ones are tanks. If I were alone on a desert road towing an Airstrem, that would be my truck of choice.
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Old 09-21-2015, 07:27 PM   #30
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I do not trust any Chrysler product for durability. They look better (styling-wise) than Ford or GM, but in the long run, they are just plain crap (based on over thirty years of unscientific observations.) No offense intended to any loyal Chrysler owners, you have your reasons for owning them.
I feel the same way. Seeing all less than ten year old Dodge trucks with rusty quarter panels gives me a flashback to the 70's.
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:37 PM   #31
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We bought a 2015 Ram 3500 Laramie Cummins TD 4x4 Club Cab 8' bed in March - I special ordered because I wanted the 6 speed manual (only Ram still offers one). I towed our 27FB Classic 3700 miles in June, and am about to head out for our fall trip. I couldn't be more pleased with the truck. Something to consider: The 3500 cost me around $180 more than a 2500, and had around 1200#s more payload (4200). It has the Hotchkiss leaf springs in the back, which I prefer for a heavily laden truck - less bounce. Rides like a Caddy! The Laramie has leather, but the seats come with heaters and tushy coolers - comes in handy in a Mississippi summer. I got 15 years out of my last Dodge/Cummins pickup, and it was hardly broken in. All I ever did was change the oil and filters religiously. BTW, Highway Products makes a great "surveyor's pack" for pickup trucks - all diamondplate aluminum. I got the "pickup pack" and bed roller from them and am quite pleased with that, as well. As for mileage, I get 17 average running around town (which I do not do very much with this big a truck - I have an old Mercedes diesel as my daily beater). Going from Mississippi to Vermont in June towing the AS, I got almost 15mpg, and 13.5 on the return trip on the exact same roads. Tailwind? IDK. I set the cruise at 62mph in 6th gear, and it took every hill in SW Virginia and PA at 1600 rpm without breaking a sweat. I had the engine brake in "auto" mode, and it kept us right at 62 without touching the brakes (about 16,000 GCVW). Never knew the trailer was there.

That's my $0.02 worth. I'd recommend both Ram and Highway Products based on what my experience with both has been.
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Old 09-22-2015, 12:42 AM   #32
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I own a 2015 Ram 3500 duelly Mega Cab Cummins. My second one. I was a Ford diesel owner prior. Will never go back. Now I don't pull my Airstream with the Ram it would be overkill. I use it for work hauling trailers full of cabinets to West Texas. I put 50K a year or more running highways pulling heavy trailer loads of cabinets. Look at what you see the long haulers pulling with out on the interstate. It is Ram Cummins. There is a reason for that. Less problems and down time. Guys who make a living driving know what works. Downtime cost money. It took me a bit to fiqure this out. I am on my second Ram Cummins now and will never go back. Watch out for chevy diesel fuel pump failures, injector failures, def pumps going out. Watch out for ford diesel def system problems, injectors, turbo failures, radiator leaks. Just a few known problems. Put a ton of miles on my first Ram Cummins. Had one rear wheel seal leak. You need to pull heavy with these diesels to keep them out of the shop. These trucks are not grocery haulers. Thats what is wrong with most of them. Guys don't use them for what they were designed. Hauling!

Have fun. It's a crap shoot. I would put my money on a Ram Cummins if I were you.
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:38 AM   #33
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.................. but as I usually need a bed full of Surveying Gear and potentially an ATV on top of the Diamondback Bed Cover
With this statement in mind you may consider jumping up to the 3500 single wheel truck. An ATV on top of the bed rails raises your center of gravity and a truck with heavier springs would handle the weight better. If you decide to take the ATV along on the camping trip it would manage the tongue weight and ATV weight with less vertical sway.

You can't really go wrong with either of the brands. Anymore it comes down to personal preference, price, appearance, base warranty and the cost of the extended warranty. If purchasing new you should really consider the extended warranty. If something goes wrong - new vehicles are really expensive to fix.

Maintenance: My Dodge diesel is a little over 6 years old purchased used. I have had two issues. The pinion seals started to seep and i had them replaced. The axles are manufactured by American Axle - coincidentally the same rear axle is used by both Dodge and GM. The second issue has been the emission system. The truck has what I would call a "first generation emission system" which had many growing pains for the big three truck makers. In 2011 and 2013 both GM and Dodge went to better emission systems and they work much better now.

My personal choice is the Dodge Ram and would buy it again today - I feel it is a rock solid vehicle and I love towing the trailer with it. Diesel power, 6 speed transmission, big brakes and the exhaust brake means control over the Airstream - towing is fun!

If the GM truck turns you on then by all means buy it and be happy! It would be high on my list too.
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Old 09-22-2015, 08:35 AM   #34
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As 'crispyboy' mentions, consider an extended factory warranty. I completely agree if you intend keeping the diesel over 100k miles. My previous diesels I never entertained this idea. My new Ram I have a life time warranty.

If I had purchased an extended warranty on my previous diesels at least one of them might still be in my barn. The cost to fix almost anything on a diesel can be shocking in cost. And it does not have to be the drive train or turbo to shock you, the required emissions systems can cost a small fortune to maintain and there is a lot to go wrong and they do, on all of them. Clearly if I had made the extended warranty investment they would have paid themselves off many times.
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Old 09-22-2015, 08:50 AM   #35
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Who sells a lifetime extended warranty and how much?

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There are independent warranty companies and there are factory warranties. Factory warranties are handled through your dealership. Also, they are negotiable on pricing too. The reason I prefer factory warranties is that when you have a claim the dealer takes care of all the paperwork. All you pay is your $100 deductible and you are out of there. With independent you have to usually pay dealer in full then submit your claim and argue.
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Old 09-22-2015, 10:00 AM   #37
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I've never seen a factory lifetime warranty. Is yours through Chrysler? My dealer, who is part of a dealer network that sells other manufacturers beside Chrysler, sells a extended warranty via an insurance company vs factory warranties (seems more of a benefit to them than the customer) and it was only 7 years so really you are only getting a 4 more year extended warranty since the factory full coverage is 36k/3 years.

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As 'crispyboy' mentions, consider an extended factory warranty. I completely agree if you intend keeping the diesel over 100k miles. My previous diesels I never entertained this idea. My new Ram I have a life time warranty.

If I had purchased an extended warranty on my previous diesels at least one of them might still be in my barn. The cost to fix almost anything on a diesel can be shocking in cost. And it does not have to be the drive train or turbo to shock you, the required emissions systems can cost a small fortune to maintain and there is a lot to go wrong and they do, on all of them. Clearly if I had made the extended warranty investment they would have paid themselves off many times.
When I spoke to my dealer finance representative last week about warranties I was told that the longest available warranty on a diesel was 6 years, 100,000 miles. Lifetime was only available on gas versions. I recently read on Ram's site that lifetime was available for original purchasers and I bought mine used so maybe that was the real reason, but IDK.

Standard warranty on the diesel and drive train is 5 years, 100,000 miles so that gets me another year on them and 3 more years on everything else. My best guess is I will hit 100K somewhere between 5 and 6 years.

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I've never seen a factory lifetime warranty. Is yours through Chrysler? My dealer, who is part of a dealer network that sells other manufacturers beside Chrysler, sells a extended warranty via an insurance company vs factory warranties (seems more of a benefit to them than the customer) and it was only 7 years so really you are only getting a 4 more year extended warranty since the factory full coverage is 36k/3 years.

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I like Ford and Chevy stuff. I just bought a 2016 Ford Expedition EL Ecoboost to pull our new Airstream.

When it comes to diesel HD trucks it's a whole different ballgame. Be sure to check the warranty that comes with each brand. Ford dropped the 100,000 mile on their diesels for 2016. Chevy also dropped it's powertrain warranty to 60,000 miles for 2016. Chrysler did too but not on it's diesels. Ram HD Cummins diesels still come with 100,000 mile 5 year powertrain warranty.

With any of the diesels there is a key to remember if you want it to stay out of the shop. Put a load behind it. These diesels like and need to work to function correctly. The load keeps the emmisions equipment clean and operating as designed. Short trips to the store or in town traffic kills these trucks.

The newer trucks all use DEF to keep the soot cleaned. Much better than pushing it back through the engine like previous designs. Oil stays cleaner now and the engine runs better. Yes, DEF is a pain but your truck will last longer with it's use and your engine won't clog with soot.

If you will put a load on these new diesels it will help even more to keep the soot cleaned out. Run it hard and it will last you a long long time. I'm speaking from many many miles of diesel towing experience here. Buy a Ram Cummins. You won't regret it.
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:13 AM   #41
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over 60K on our 2012 Dmax, 2500HD, Allison 4x4, crew cab, standard bed, towing option. The only 'higher' costs I have seen are:
1- Oil changes...
2- DEF fluid
3- fuel filter

Having ridden in all 3 Majors with diesel engines, the Dodge was 'out' because of the way it rode. It was 'cheaper' to purchase...and most consider it "a work truck", function over comfort. Many of my friends buy them as a 'tool'... no emotional content in their decision. Others who have ridden in the recent models have found the 'comfort' level is equal to the GM and Ford....obviously important when you spend a lot of time riding when traveling.

The Dodge did NOT have 'DEF'... which was a good deal for me... as if the vehicle doesn't need the DEF to meet EPA restrictions, that is one less intrusion...

Bottom line, the doggone Dodge rode like a truck.... I tried a couple of 'used' ones, even those owned by friends..... and could tell they had been "rode hard and put up still saddled"... I wouldn't be pleased with my 'new' truck in short order based upon the condition of 'used'. Many had 'rust' in the panels because the trucks had lots of mud packed and since 'it's just a work truck', they did not wash often... especially after offroad driving...

But, if comfort is not a deep concern, you will probably like the Dodge and it is a tad cheaper.

Now, on our 2012..
I had the oil changed mostly at the dealer... $90... which included tire rotation, greasing fittings, re-syncing the wheel/tire pressure senders to correct locations, 'disposal fees'...

I can change the oil, filter and fuel filter at home cheaper... and I kNOW what oil is being put in the engine....but, each time I 'needed' it done, the dealer was the best place (this way there is NO question that the work was done). I run Shell Rotella... and the oil does NOT get as dark as quickly as the 'dealer' oil. I have run 'synthetic', Mobil also... and did not see improvement in performance or mileage...

The dealer changed 'ALL' of the lube in drivetrain... about a year ago. I plan to keep this truck until I 'time out'... so... it is just good thinking... and an 'additional cost'.

The DEF usage is awfully high, I think. The dealer agrees but it is one of those things no one can get a 'handle' on... what is 'reasonable'...no one knows.. they say 'depends upon fuel and use.... etc...'... another words, it is like the "fuel mileage" rating... it don't mean nuthin'

Warranty issues... I purchased 'demo'... run by the shop Manager... there were some 'cosmetic' things... because they used the truck to hunt and drive through high Texas grassland... but nothing really bad..

The batteries died the first winter... not 'covered' by warranty.. hmmm.. put two new ones and all is well for 2 years.

Two 'glow plugs' have failed and were replaced by dealer in warranty.

The 'driver's seat' cooling fans have fried... twice. And, there is a map pocket on the back of the driver's seat which keeps 'popping out' because the seat is "not as substantial" as previous years, allowing it to flex when a little 275# guy like me plops into it....

The thought of 4x4 was really thought to be 'overkill' by some folks... well, it has saved me a 'tow truck' call on at least 4 occasions. Just flip the switch under 45MPH and I have 4x4 drive... This saved potential 'wheel spin' when pulling Mjolnir out of some areas which got sticky due to rain..

What is best to me, is at the end of a long tow day, I don't feel like I have been riding my old Harley Hardtail.... It is a different experience..

Finally, comparatively, in my younger days, I rode many many miles towing boats or loaded horse trailers all over the US... using Ford and Chevy trucks...and have ridden with friends in their Dodges doing the same... the Dodge always left me wishing I had ridden the Harley... But, that was a long time ago...

Best wishes in your decision!
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Pretty sure Ford is unveiling their new 2017 SuperDuty's this week. There is also a new Nissan coming out by year's end with a Cummins Diesel and Aisin transmission.

Just a few more options.
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