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Buy a new 2007 Full Sized Tundra with the 5.7L engine 18 18.75%
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:39 AM   #29
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It's Not the Brand...

Ford, GM, Dodge, etc. (aka domestic) Toyota, Nissan, etc. (aka import). It's not really an issue of the brand, where it's made, or who owns the company. We live in a global environment - Wally Byam forsaw the "shrinking of the globe" many years ago. The real issue is whether the tow vehicle is equipped to safely tow the trailer.

Taking time now to really understand the trailer and tow vehicle ratings is the key. Don't be fooled by published numbers. It's not that the numbers are wrong or deceitful but manufacturers don't always publish the same information. Take time to understand the rating, what's included, what is not. Add the numbers yourself - don't trust a salesman to give you the correct information. The salesman probably won't even work at the dealership next month.
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Old 12-20-2006, 08:41 AM   #30
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yeah. my friends with the nissan and a 30-foot late model a/s met me at a toll booth last summer on the way to a rally...they pulled away and left me in the dust....me and my REAL (american?) 1/2-ton with the shorty vintage trailer. what a piece of crap those foreign trucks are.
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Old 12-20-2006, 09:06 AM   #31
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The decision was very easy for me when considering a TV. Ford was the only manufactuerer that included everything I needed. A V8 Diesel engine (made by Navistar), Crew Cab (4 doors) with lots of interior space and comfort leather seats for the family, 8 foot bed over a 172" LWB, 3/4 Ton w/12.5k tow capacity and a 23k combined weight capacity, integrated Trailer brake control system that works great. The truck pulls our 31' Classic like it was a feather. I couldn't be happier. Nissan, Toyota or Honda have nothing that can pull that weight. Almost bought the Dodge with the cummings engine, but liked the Ford better with the integrated brake control and the better feeling seats.

My wife and I owned two toyotas in the past. I had an '87 pickup that went 93k before the tranny went. I liked that truck for light-duty use, but the tranny shouldn't have quit like it did - I am very easy on all my vehicles.

My wife had an '89 Corolla that needed the top-end of the engine rebuilt due to carbon build-up at 41 kmiles. (Toyota said out of warranty - offered no help). Estimate for repair was $2,700. We didn't fix it, we traded instead. We've been driving Fords ever since, a brand I grew up with just about, save for a Rambler, a few other AMC's and one Chevrolet in between there somewhere. We replaced our '94 Taurus with 211k and no problems to speak of except a power window regulator on the left rear door that stuck, with a '05 freestar.

All of these cars and truck are machines and need care and attention to their maintianance schedule, no matter the name badge on the trunk lid. We like our local dealer, get very good deals and the service shop is tops. I can't ask for any more value for my time and money. And isn't that what it's really about?
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:21 AM   #32
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yeah. my friends with the nissan and a 30-foot late model a/s met me at a toll booth last summer on the way to a rally...they pulled away and left me in the dust....me and my REAL (american?) 1/2-ton with the shorty vintage trailer. what a piece of crap those foreign trucks are.

Well, Chuck, you do have a Dodge whatdidya expect..... (Ok, my flame suit is on).

In all seriousness though....

Pulling away and leaving one in the dust would not be one of my qualifications for a decent tow vehicle. I say this in all honesty. My Impala SS would take the Safari from zero to warp 7 in about 13 seconds, compared to the normal 7.5 seconds without the Safari, but it wasn't safe. My 2500 Burb, takes maybe 6 more extra seconds than the SS did towing, but the issues of wheelbase, the trailer towing the tow vehicle are not an issue.

I personally feel that the "imports" are great vehicles, of this I think few would disagree. Where the issue gets touchy is can and/or should it tow and if so, up to way level? Look at the Intrepid/34' Airstream situation. Safe? No. Will it move it? Sure. Is that towing? Not by a longshot.
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Well said Dennis. At this point in time the imports simply can't compare to the domestic trucks.I owned a Toyota pick up and they are better suited to hauling a jet ski or taking the trash to the dump. Plus they are more expensive for what you get and I think it's more the mystique that somehow they are more reliable ,comes from the early Corollas. As for Nissan the interiors have always seemed cheap and plasticy to me and I've owned those too. At this point in time, I don't think the imports have anything on the domestics. Maybe at one time they did but they offer less now, unless you just prefer the styling.I now own a Ford F350 diesel crew cab, Now thats a truck.
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I also, want to say that I worked for Land Rover and the Range Rover is not a serious tow vehicle. In fact the Range Rover has one of worst reliability records of almost any SUV made. Your heated windsheild washers and vibrating seats aren't any good when your sitting on the side of the road wating for the tow truck.
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yeah, but we're not comparing a truck to an impala; we're comparing a truck to a truck. Titan vs. Ram 1500 or other half-ton. Saying an f350 can out-do a titan is irrelevant. of course it can. So can a mack tractor.

But saying that a Titan isn't even really a half-ton is just wrong. It has the same wheel base. It weights about the same. The payload is about the same. It is "rated" to tow 2000lbs MORE. Its got WAY more horsepower and torque, and has a beefier rear-end.

but its not "really" a half-ton?????? And my Dodge is because....it was made in mexico???

the bias is glaring so brightly, I gotta wear shades...
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:31 AM   #36
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We are just new to trailers and will likely close the deal this week on a new 27' Safari FB. We are trying to decide between the 4Runner with a 7,000 lb tow capacity, the Lexus GX470 with a 6,500 tow capacity or an Explorer or Durango (not the Hemi since it is too thirsty).

The trailer's weight is 5,400 and we travel very light. Does anyone have a suggestion on a vehicle from the choices above? We like the Lexus since it is just a couple of thousand $ more than the 4Runner. We also like the reliability of the Toyota/Lexus products.

We have never towed anything before and would really appreciate some advice. We live in Ontario and plan trips to Alaska and western Canada and the US.

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SEARCH OUT THREADS ON TOW VEHICLES...You will find that those particular SUVs are in use but not very highly thought of for a trailer like the on eyou are getting. A 3/4 ton truck, or an Excursion diesel or v10 would be much more appropriate. The used Excursions are very good buys now, ( I just got one) as they are no longer produced.
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Speculation of a Cat diesel in a Toyota Tundra, althought very amusing, is silly and a clever highjacking of the thread. If Toyota decides to put a diesel in their Tundra, they don't have to go to Cat, all they have to do is go to their own HINO medium duty truck line and pick out a good engine. For example, their turbocharged JO8E-TA inline 6 cylinder engine and auto transmission would be a good choice. It produces 220 hp and 520 ft. lbs of torque at 1500 RPM. That is very adequate power and torque at low RPM's for most of our towing needs with good fuel economy. Or they could step up one notch to the JO8E-TB which produces 260 hp.and 585 ft.lbs. of torque at 1500 RPMS. Still better, the Hino's are already mated to Allison transmissions. Cat indeed......nice highjacking!
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yeah, but we're not comparing a truck to an impala; we're comparing a truck to a truck.[/B]
I respectfully and completely disagree with the notion that the "B" platform is not comparing apples to apples. Maybe different size apples, but still apples, nonetheless. When one says it left me in the dust, one can take that a number of ways. My Impala SS will, without question out tow any Titan out there today that is a factory built machine every day of the week and twice on Sunday. That may sound all neat and cool, until you get bigger than a 23' trailer in high winds and that is where the limitations of the 1/2 ton start to show.

The "B" platform on which the Impala SS, Caprice (Classic), Roadmaster and Caddy Fleetwood is based, is basically a 1/2 ton car. If you look at the half ton Tahoe, or Suburban, you WILL find very similar, if not near identical components (4L60e, 8.5 gearing, body on frame construction (at one point similar sized engines). One of the MAIN reasons the "B" platform was discontinued was because folks like me were buying these cars instead of trucks, which were more profitable, so they closed the Arlington, TX plant, retooled and made more profitable trucks (or at least did) out of the same plant, except with no more "B" (and "D" Fleetwood) body cars, since late 1996, where all body on frame car production stopped and has never returned.

I fully agree that the Titan is a 1/2 ton truck and do not discount it for it's merits as a 1/2 ton truck. I have no direct towing exp, but I would think that it would be far more useful in towing more than a jet ski. Towing 25 or more feet of trailer? Given the specs they share of the big tow pacakge that magically brings it to it's stated rating? That's where I start to get uncomfortable and why I went with a genuine 3/4 ton light truck/SUV.
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As for the point of this whole thread.....I'm taking a wait and see attitude toward the new Toyota offering coming out next month. We may all be welcoming the first real 3/4 truck, or will see MOTS (more of the same) that we've already seen. I'm keeping an open mind until I get more detailed info.
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I also, want to say that I worked for Land Rover and the Range Rover is not a serious tow vehicle. In fact the Range Rover has one of worst reliability records of almost any SUV made. Your heated windsheild washers and vibrating seats aren't any good when your sitting on the side of the road wating for the tow truck.
I know, it's not a serious anyting except if you think of it as seriously expenseive

I thought it would look pisser towing my 56'. Again, if I had more money than sense, maybe I would a new rover.

My thought on Yota's trucks is that if they strike out again with the full sized market, there will be little room for recovery. But after seeing how the company has out gunned the "American" brands I think they might actually build a winner. As others, I'm keeping an open mind and frankly would welcome a killer full sized toyota. Maybe it would spur the other brands to come up with some decent products.... ouch Bob Dole would hate me!!


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For those who would equate HD or Heavy Duty with diesel powered, according to Edmunds, Toyota has shelved plans for their HD and Nissan has postponed their offering until 2009. see: Inside Line: Report: Toyota, Nissan Shelve Heavy-Duty Truck Plans...For Now -
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I respectfully and completely disagree with the notion that the "B" platform is not comparing apples to apples.
You said yourself that it is unsafe because of its wheelbase. The Nissan trucks have the same wheelbase as any other truck, 1/2, 3/4, or one ton, they're all the same! (except maybe those super-duper-crew thingies, but that's a relatively new developement).

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When one says it left me in the dust, one can take that a number of ways.
I only meant it one way, and that is that the truck has plenty of power to haul the load.
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That may sound all neat and cool, until you get bigger than a 23' trailer in high winds and that is where the limitations of the 1/2 ton start to show.
and yet, I know several people who tow trailers much larger than 23' with this platform, tens of thousands of miles back and forth across the country, and these "limitations" have yet to show themselves. I've *seen* it pull the weight; the people who make it say it can carry the weight; The attributes that resist trailer sway are the same on this as any other truck; (and with a hensley arrow, that is eliminated anyway, right???); and I've seen the cat scale print-outs, proving that its all within spec. so what is the problem???!!!
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