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Old 07-12-2007, 10:12 PM   #15
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Man this is supercool! I'm just freakin' amazed that my big ol' 4-door long bed 4x4 Ram can get nearly 21mpg if I stay out of it with the Cummins and I still get 18.5 running 75mph with it. A 4.5L engine in a half ton truck would probably get close to 30mpg. Sweet!
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:29 PM   #16
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Found this too on a new V8 as well:

.: General Motors to Invest $100 Million in Tonawanda, New York Engine Plant for Diesel Engine Production - General Motors Corporate :. Auto Spectator

"The investment announced today is in addition to a $300 million investment GM announced in January for production of an all-new, DOHC V-8 engine to power GM’s luxury cars and SUVs. Production of that engine also begins in 2009."
This project will keep a lot of good paying jobs here. Amen to that alone!
I already have a number of colleagues that have been transferred to this project to procure equipment.
Luckily, I am on a long-term project with the six-speed FWD tranny here in Michigan.
This engine is gonna rock!
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:35 PM   #17
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So what do you guys think of puttin this new setup in an old Argosy Moho with a 454? Just wondering out loud - or even replacing the 454 in my 93 burb?
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:43 PM   #18
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Consider the Audi R10 diesel, the first diesel to win the 24 hours of Le Mans.

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Champion Racing, a privat team, has info on their cars at:

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Things are shaking in the diesel world.

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Things have been for decades. Recall the 5 banger turbo and non turbo Benz diesels? Those babies are still compressing oil at 25 years and 200+k miles.
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LOL.......... Leave it to us..... We react only when there is a spike in fuel costs.

Remember the early 70's when the embargo hit. It spawned the import of the Rabbit Diesel. Ford made the Pinto MPG. and of course the Vega.

Now it's a eureka moment as we do what europeans have been doing for decades. Drive diesels............ and lots of them.

(Psst I'm not giving up my 86' Jetta Turbo Diesel or my 81' Rabbit Pickup Turbo Diesel....)
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YEAH baby! Now I can get the wife a diesel Tahoe to pull the boat while I pull the Airstream.
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Old 07-12-2007, 10:53 PM   #21
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So what do you guys think of puttin this new setup in an old Argosy Moho with a 454? Just wondering out loud - or even replacing the 454 in my 93 burb?
They will be pretty hard to come by for the first year or two of production.
I work on GM Powertrain projects at the plant level. I write a lot of the code for the automation and machining.
Whenever a new engine or transmission comes out it is hard to get a new one that does not have a new vehicle wrapped around it.
I think it is a shame that they do not sell these sooner but then again, they want to sell cars and engines; not just engines.
I would love to slap one in an older Silverado 1500! That would be so totally cool! Imagine the new tow rating!
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I would love to slap one in an older Silverado 1500! That would be so totally cool! Imagine the new tow rating!
Add some more spring leafs and you'd really have something. Reminds me of the Johnny Cash song, "One Piece at a Time."

The transmission was a '53
And the motor turned out to be a '73
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.

So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an A-daptor kit
We had that engine runnin' just like a song
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:45 AM   #23
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So what do you guys think of puttin this new setup in an old Argosy Moho with a 454? Just wondering out loud - or even replacing the 454 in my 93 burb?
I'd imagine it would be a heckuva upgrade. Better HP & torque.
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I sent the info to a buddy who designs injection systems for diesels for a research company and he is also a hot rodder. His response:

"I bet there'll be big line-ups if they offer a crate version. I can see the combo now: 65 GMC shortbox fleetside with a '88 crossmember (bolts in to give disk brakes etc) and one of these engines. Neat daily driver/tow vehicle that'll never die!"

Or for some of those with 60's suburbans it would make a tremendous swap.

Now, if I start asking my friend in the old home town about his truck sitting out back, by the time these engines are available over the counter or through wrecking yards, he'll be so tired of me asking he'll sell it to me real cheap .

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opinions please

Any reason I could not use one of these "little" diesels to repower a full size sedan?
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GM diesels

GM has to overcome the reputation of SORRY DIESELS they produced in 60's, 70's etc.

GM figured (Probably some bean counter) they could convert the old 350 and it turned out to really suck! Unfortunately Americans acquired a very sore spot for diesels from that episode.

I hope Ford can put together a decent engine they need a good product or they are gonna go under. The Europeans really like 'em, about 40% of vehicles sold are diesels.

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Any reason I could not use one of these "little" diesels to repower a full size sedan?
You could, but what folks don't sometimes realize, is that typically there are several things in the driveline that need to be looked at and maybe upgraded as well. For example, transmission, driveshaft, rear axles, etc. My sedan, which is a bit higher performance than most, has about 350ft/lbs of torque. Putting an engine in that can put out 520ft/lbs of torque and most likely at fairly low RPMs is a significant upgrade and may require beefing up along the drivetrain as a result of said motor being installed.
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GM has to overcome the reputation of SORRY DIESELS they produced in 60's, 70's etc.

GM figured (Probably some bean counter) they could convert the old 350 and it turned out to really suck! Unfortunately Americans acquired a very sore spot for diesels from that episode.
I would agree on the passenger car side, but they have had some real great diesels on the truck side, and I'm sure they learned their lesson back in the 80s from the 350 convert.

One thing I would wholeheartedly agree with is that Ford needs some hits or they will be in a real pickle. GM isn't too far behind. I think they finally realized the Asians are at the door and about to put diesels in their 1/2 tonners. I think between that and the fleet MPG averages needing to go up, this really hits two birds with one stone....and long overdue IMHO.
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