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Old 02-04-2008, 07:21 PM   #15
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Ben, one of the great things about this forum is the diversity of its members and the breadth of ideas that are exchanged in the threads. Your post made me stop and consider that ad from a different perspective, and yes, I see the point you have made. I respect your immediate take on this item; you see clearly in red, white, and blue whereas I was seeing the fun and excitement in the camping. Good for you for making me take a step back and really think about what I'm viewing. ~G
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:52 AM   #16
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This commercial truly breaks my heart. Call me old-fashioned, but I'm a "Buy American" American through and through. I can't believe Airstream calls themselves an "American Legend" then sells out to a Japanese manufacturer.

It also upsets me that Toyota uses this commercial to lay claim to activities that are iconically American. Those activities belong to us. We have fought and died time and time again for the right to engage in all of the pass-times that make up "The American Dream".

I think Wally Byam and all the dead veterans of Pearl Harbor are probably rolling over in their graves.

I don't usually get this opinionated and I hope I haven't angered anyone with this post, but I personally saw the commercial as an insult.
At least the Toyota is MADE IN THE USA! I know the big 3 1/2 tons are all made in Mexico and Canada.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:12 AM   #17
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At least the Toyota is MADE IN THE USA! I know the big 3 1/2 tons are all made in Mexico and Canada.
Bull****! GM has three assembly plants that make the half ton, three quarter ton, and the one ton pickups in the USA, Flint MI, Pontiac MI, and Fort Wayne IN. Yes there is a plant in Oshawa Canada that produces the 1/2 ton and the Silao Mexico plant also produces pickups.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:16 PM   #18
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You are right not ALL are made in MEHICO but most are.. Check your build plate and see if it is. My point was Toyota is creating new jobs and GM/Ford are now making trucks in Mehico. MI now has the highest un-employment in the US.
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You are right not ALL are made in MEHICO but most are.. Check your build plate and see if it is. My point was Toyota is creating new jobs and GM/Ford are now making trucks in Mehico. MI now has the highest un-employment in the US.
Again I will call you on that. GM makes very few pickups in Mexico. All HD GM pickups (100%) are built in the US and over 60% of the light duty pickups are built in the US and most of the rest are then built in the Oshawa Ontario plant. My HD was built in Flint, Michigan.
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Again I will call you on that. GM makes very few pickups in Mexico. All HD GM pickups (100%) are built in the US and over 60% of the light duty pickups are built in the US and most of the rest are then built in the Oshawa Ontario plant. My HD was built in Flint, Michigan.
Ours too, now that I think about it. I'd done some testing on Caddy's in Flint a dozen years ago, and was kind of surprised to see the "Made in Flint, MI" sticker on the truck.
Not a bad surprised.

I think Dodge has a plant in St Louis, and another in Mexico,
And aren't most of the Ford trucks are from Louisville, Minneapolis, or somewhere else in either the Great Lakes or upper midwest? They made Focii in Mexico, but I wouldn't tow much with one.

We used to own a Toyota. That's about all I care to say about it.
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Old 02-06-2008, 06:57 AM   #21
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I don't know that I would not consider a truck built here in Canada to be foreign made. Canada imports about the same number of vehicles from the US as it produces for the US market. I am not certain about Mexico but it is likely similar. I don't think the same applies to other countries.

The U.S. and Canadian ecomonies are so intertwined that they are pretty much as one. We are each others largest trading partners and neither country can be protectionist against the other without doing damage to itself.

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At least the Toyota is MADE IN THE USA! I know the big 3 1/2 tons are all made in Mexico and Canada.
This is a not an entirely accurate statement. Not ALL are made in Mexico and Canada.

Take GM for example. The trucks are also made in Indiana, Michigan and Canada. Heavy duty trucks are soley made in the US.

You can see what is made where, here:

GMInsideNews - Factory Guide

The bottom line however, regardless of where built, if you are a FOREGIN company, the profits don't stay in the US.

If you've read reviews lately, you'd also know that Toyota is going through some growing pains and their product portfolio isn't getting top marks as it once did, leading to many more recalls than it's customers have been use to:

Toyota Issues Lexus Recall, as Quality Issues, Lawsuits Mount

What Happened? Lexus and Toyota Both Fall From Grace in Latest JD Power Study - AutoSpies Auto News

BTW, some Toyotas are also made in Canada as well.
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Yep! 25FB all right! Yes a non-American truck but aren't they now built here in the USA? Correct if I am wrong. Anyway we like towing with our Tahoe but we just started looking at the Silverado Cummings-Allison.
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Determining what is an American Truck vs an import can be confusing. My Tundra was made in Texas, but the parent company is in Japan. You could also say that a Dodge is made in America and the parent company is in Germany. With the global economy the way it is, it is a tough call on what is what. Here is a link to a very good article that talks about this very issue.
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...You could also say that a Dodge is made in America and the parent company is in Germany. ...
Not since last year sometime. Daimler sold 'em and they're private now.

It's a little less confusing if you look at where the administrative and engineering offices are.
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I have to agree with Silvertwinkie. If you buy from a foreign company, you are sending the biggest part of the vehicle's profit somewhere else.

To each his own, but I support the company first, THEN the labor. Sure I'm proud that my Dodge was built in St. Louis, but I would rather support a Mexican worker building an American product than an American worker building a Japanese product. I support the company because I know the company makes the biggest part of the profit and pays the biggest part of the taxes which support the elected officials that the majority of Americans voted on.

You want to talk about American Autoworkers? American Autoworkers are over paid for their skill and education level. That part isn't my opinion, it's a fact. The average GM employee costs GM $65/hour with benefits included. The average RETIRED GM employee costs the company $35/Hour. Due to early retirement options, GM for awhile was paying more retired people than active! I have an uncle that retired from GM making $31/hour as a Janitor! He felt he was worth every bit of that. RIDICULOUS!!! Forgive me if I don't get all teary-eyed when those guys lose their jobs.

I don't care how many jobs Toyota brings to two or three of the thousands of cities in our soveriegnty. I care about the Big Picture of what I know is best for my country. If I chop wood all summer for my neighbor instead of my father, sure I'll get paid for a change, but I'm still going to freeze my a$$ off when winter comes.
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I have a 2003 Toyota Sequoia and love it!! I understand getting insulted that Toyota is not "American" but if the American auto companies built and SUV as good as the Sequoia I'd buy it. I am American through and through, what makes us American is the fact that our coutry believes in FREEDOM not turning our noses up at other countries. I will continue to buy Toyota's for their great vehicles and if I could I'd move up to a Mercedes G-Class SUV to tow my 31' Airstream. I loved the commercial and appreciate the fact that Toyota includes something as beautiful as the Airstream in it's commercial. Sorry you were insulted by the commercial...I still feel American in my SUV.
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