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Old 12-18-2007, 06:46 PM   #15
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Audi is also very committed to diesels. They retired the R8 racecar that won Le Mans outright in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2005 and replaced it the a diesel, the R10, a turbo diesel V12. This became the first diesel to win Le Mans. For more information see Audi of America > Experience > Motorsport > Audi R10 TDI. One of the big Audi Quattros, like the A8, with a high performance diesel would make a very good sedan, for those who could afford it.
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Old 12-18-2007, 06:49 PM   #16
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I had a VW Diesel Rabbit that got 48 mpg all the time. Of course it blew head gaskets every 5,000 miles, but that just kept it on warranty.

These new, clean diesels are the way to go.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:25 PM   #17
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When I say 35+ miles per gallon I mean in FULL SIZE CARS with an average of over 35. Cars with interior volumn of a Mercury Grand Marchy. Vehicles that can seat 5 or 6 people comfortably. My neighbor has a VW diesel that gets close to 40 but you can only carry two people and a midget. There have been 40 mpg diesels for some time buy they are small vehicles in my world.
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I hear ya, but I wouldn't call a VW Jetta or Passat....mini cars. They seat 5 comfortably and also have a huge trunk. You don't need something larger or in the fashion of old Detrot Iron to have a large carry capacity. The VW Bettle my Ex has gets 45-50 on a regular basis, can carry 4 + luggage comfortably, is very peppy thanks to the turbo, and is clean and QUIET!!
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:37 PM   #18
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DFord79,

Your are definitely a guy I can relate to.

My 1978 Buick burned me so bad I didn't buy a GM product until 2003, 25 years!!!!

I put Ford on the same list due to a 1992 Mercury Marque.

If my 2001 Camry lets me down, I'll be walking
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Old 12-18-2007, 09:45 PM   #19
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These engines represent a significant step forward in thinking and commitment. These engines will find their way into more than just trucks, of that you can most likely be sure of.....and you'll see more of this in the coming years from many automakers, some already have renewed their diesel offerings in passenger cars. GM is a bit late to the game here, as they were with hybrids, but in typical GM style, when the beast finally wakes up, it comes a running full force.

It is also in part why the lobbyists didn't have a sh**fit when Congress passed the fuel efficiency standards that even the oilman President promised to sign and sign quickly.

Though standards are not to become into full effect until 2022, you can bet your behind that with hybrids, cars like the Volt and these engines, the auto industry knows they can most likely hit fleet averages well ahead of 2022.

I was a bit upset that the bill got watered down and lost the renewable energy requirements and the heavier taxes on big oil, but at the same time, it didn't call for more domestic fossil fuel production and it seems to have far more things than just cars and trucks in mind. Many items are in the scope this time.
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fuel price?

So does all this mean the price of fuel will go up because everyone wants one ? I do like my duramax. But saw fuel at 384 at one station today
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I can tell you most likely fuel prices, regardless of supply and demand, will most likely never be back to the $1.xx range, even with all that is here and on the way in terms of increases in efficiency. Will they go up? Everything goes up, how much it impacts us, depends on what we do to use less of it, thereby either paying what we are now overall, or less due to less consumption due to better use of what we do have to use.

Even if our needs go way down, demand in developing countries will see to it that demand stays high, so prices may not come back down all that much. Hope I'm wrong, cause as wacked as this sounds, $1.67 sound dirt cheap!
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:06 PM   #22
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"This engine looks really promising." On paper, but time will tell. I personally think it will be the next Oldsmobile 350 Diesel.
"It's a 72 degree angle V8. Kind of odd; most are 90 degrees and many engines are 60 degrees. Both 90 and 60 make even firing pulses because they're even multiples of 360. Well, I guess 72 is also as it's 1/5 of 360. OK, so it's a narrow angle V8 to keep width down." V-8's with 90 degree blocks come out even fire, V-6's with 60 degree blocks come out even fire, but if 72 degrees is 1/5 of 360 then it would have to be a 5 cylinder engine to be even fire or for a V-8 it will have to have offset rod journals like used on the 3.8L 90 degree even fire V-6's.

"The block is made of graphite impregnated iron. The heads are aluminum." To use aluminum heads on a diesel they better have between six and ten head bolts per cylinder.

I am also a Ford person who for a small part of my mechanical career worked at a few GM dealerships; I have always had Ford products except for one Chevrolet company truck [I had no other choice] that in 42,000 miles ate one transmission and two engines. First and last GM for me.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:51 PM   #23
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This is long overdue.

Once it's proven I'll be buying one in a crate for my 53 Dodge Air Force ambulance.

If Ford comes out with something similer it would be a winner in the Crown Vic for police duty vehicles. The mileage and engine life would save cities big bucks.
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Old 12-19-2007, 05:25 AM   #24
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This an portion of a column I wrote recently on long term results with our various tow vehicles. When I was Europe I saw hundreds of trailers being pulled by small diesel tow vehicles so I thought we should get some experience with these modern engines. As well I have been trying to trim our fuel costs at the store. I am not recomending you go out and buy a Jetta to tow a 25' Airstream yet but it does perform amazingly well. Fuel economy towing Airstreams runs 23-28 MPG at 60-62 MPH.

2006 VW Jetta Diesel

The Jetta Diesel has made countless trips to Indiana and Ohio picking up new Airstreams Trail-Lites and Surveyors so it has 55,000 kilometers on it in only 15 months. The fuel mileage continues to amaze everyone. I was in Indiana in August and was planning on bringing back a 19í Trail-Lite which turned out not to be ready but a 28í Surveyor with 800 lbs. of parts loaded in it was. I would never recommend this combination but since I was there anyway I towed it home with 4 people in the car. Getting it rolling on an uphill grade took judicious use of the clutch but other than that there was not much to complain about. With a considerable cross wind it was completely stable and still turned in 23 MPG at 100 KPH.

We have not made a repair to the VW and it has been completely reliable. The springs and shocks still feel as good as new.

Currently the Jetta Deisel is not available but it will be reintroduced next spring. Our Jetta produces 100 HP and 177 lbs. of torque. The new 2.0 Litre engine will be considerably more powerful with 140 HP and 235 Torque. To put this in perspective the 3 times as large 6.2 litre GM diesel that we towed with in the 80ís produced 132 HP and 240 lbs. of torque. Even with the additional power Volkswagon claims it will get better fuel economy than the current engine. It is amazing where technology is going.
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FYI, The Crown Vicky has been reduced to fleet/lemo only use by Ford. You no longer can buy one. You can still get a Gran Marque/upscale Crown Vic.

Good luck towing them 28 footers with a jetta. Your gonna need it sometime.

My sons best friend has a new Jetta. Cramped rear seat for average sized person at best. I can't even set in the front seat. I am 6'3". Head hits the cerling and knees hit the steering wheel. Shoulders have about a inch of clearance from the door. Granted I am much bigger than the average person. But these are SMALL CARS, you have been conditioned to think elsewise.

The cars quality/fit and finish seems very good as are most German cars. Technology in the diesel world is here and is improving. GM seems to squeeze a few more MPG out of their big cars and trucks because of thier longtime engineering philosohy of making thier engines internal parts lighter. They have made some good engines and some not so good ones. The 350 gasser in some years was outstanding in some years was junk not withstanding the diesel fiasco.

But,,,,when all is said and done I think we are getting some very good quality cars now because the big three finally have to. They have depended on past technology and single minded americans for profit. That is changing. Being a fleet manager for 30 years I can tell you there have been some sad times for the American automakers. The late 70's and early 80's were the bottom of the trough. American manufacturers refused to retool and rethink. Chrysler went broke and the tax payer bailed them out. Now all three are still struggling to keep up. However I do believe the make cars that are everybit as reliable as the Foreign makers. Its percention and design thats presently killing the big three. They make only a few vechilces that look as good and the foreighn makes....LOOKS SELLS. Now it gonna take LOOKS and FUEL MILEAGE. Diesel has been put on the back burner for a long time. Not because we don't know how to build em...for cris sake ...cat and cummins and detroit build the best diesels in the world. Its OIL....now that China is a big time player they are gonna steal our oil and make cheaper cars. So...its time to produce them new GM, Ford, Chrysler diesels or get out of the game. Cars are comming trucks are here. We hold and edge in trucks only because the foreighn manufacturers don't bring their heavy duty products here to sell. competition is good.....but selling out for sake of profit is bad. WALLSTREET CONTROLLS THE PRICE OF FUEL...NOT the american appitite to drive. WAKE UP AMERICA.
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My wife drives a 97 Jetta TDI - interesting car.
Typically get in the mid 40's mpg and as high as 48 mpg on trips.
It is a very light weight car - sheet metal is thin like all small cars. The 97 model was fairly roomy in the front for average size folks. Back seat is ok for short trips.
The suspension is very soft - too soft. VW kept the cheaper suspension so the car likes to squirm around the road. I couldn't even imagine a light utility trailer behind this car - it would be all over the road.
The engine is 90 hp with the turbo but this car has no trouble keeping up with traffic and taking hills. The engine has loads of torque.
VW parts cost much more than domestic or asian car parts. Not sure why - I cannot see any difference in quality. For example a front rotor for a Honda Civic is $18 and $41 for a VW - they look almost identicle. Rotors were also Raybestos brand if I remember correctly.
VW customer service is also the pits from what I hear. I wouldn't personally know because I typically fix everything on this car myself.

I have sat in a few of the newer ones but the styling really turns me off and they are much smaller inside. It looks like VW hired a design engineer from Asia - it doesn't look or feel German anymore.
Maybe one of these days I would like to get the my wife to trade the VW in for a diesel Grand Cherokee - those look pretty sharp.
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FYI, The Crown Vicky has been reduced to fleet/lemo only use by Ford. You no longer can buy one. You can still get a Gran Marque/upscale Crown Vic.
See the fleet sales dept at your local Ford dealer and you'll get your Crown Vic. Standard or LX. Heck out here they'll sell you a P71 (police model)
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I would wait several years before buying a truck with a new GM engine.
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