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Old 01-10-2018, 11:35 AM   #21
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30 mpg sounds good to me. So does that payload. Wonder what the sticker will be for a 6.5' bed, max payload, trailer tow, crew cab, lariat?
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:39 AM   #22
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30 mpg sounds good to me. So does that payload. Wonder what the sticker will be for a 6.5' bed, max payload, trailer tow, crew cab, lariat?
I heard $4k more for the engine
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Old 01-10-2018, 11:48 AM   #23
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Ford did note that the auto start-stop they have announced across the line is disabled when towing, and when in 4WD.
Thanks for noting that. I just checked my owners manual. There's a whole list of reasons why the feature would be inactive.
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Old 01-18-2018, 06:59 PM   #24
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It's eerie how closely the hp and torque stats of that little 3.0 diesel in the F150 match my old '96 F250 and its big-block 7.3 liter engine. In fact, the hp and torque is a bit better than my old-school International that displaces 2.4 times more combustion-chamber space.

Even the payload is about the same, ~2000 pounds, although the F150 is a lot lighter overall.

But it's got me on fuel mileage: I can get 21 mpg at 70 mph unladen, but the new one seems to get closer to 30.

Good stuff!
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:55 PM   #25
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Just got a quote on it from Canadian Dealer. $5600 is the upgrade here.

I could put the order in, but wont be ready until Q2 they believe.

Been looking at the F150...and this appeals to me.
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Old 01-19-2018, 02:03 AM   #26
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A little different situation, as the 3.0 is a Ford engine, like the 6.7, and not an International.
Ford 3Lv6 turbo built in England, Chrysler3L v6 turbo Italian and GM 3L inline 6 turbo built in USA.
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Ford 3Lv6 turbo built in England, Chrysler3L v6 turbo Italian and GM 3L inline 6 turbo built in USA.
I was pointing out whose engine it was, not where it was assembled. How about where it was designed? The new GM diesel came from Turin, Italy. Does that matter?

There is already a 2.8 litre GM diesel. It is built in Thailand.

There used to be a 2.9 GM diesel, when they owned VM Motori. They sold their share. That engine became the 3.0 diesel engine that FCA now uses.

Do you distinguish between GM 5.3 engines built in the US and those built in Canada?

If one buys a RAM from FCA, is it American, Mexican, or Italian?

Personally, I can’t see any of it mattering.
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I was pointing out whose engine it was, not where it was assembled. How about where it was designed? The new GM diesel came from Turin, Italy. Does that matter?

There is already a 2.8 litre GM diesel. It is built in Thailand.

There used to be a 2.9 GM diesel, when they owned VM Motori. They sold their share. That engine became the 3.0 diesel engine that FCA now uses.

Do you distinguish between GM 5.3 engines built in the US and those built in Canada?

If one buys a RAM from FCA, is it American, Mexican, or Italian?

Personally, I cant see any of it mattering.
And I was just noting how global the industry is. Chill out.
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OK, I get it. Did you perhaps interpret my labelling of the engine as an International product to mean global, as opposed to being a product of International Harvester/Navistar International?
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