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Old 01-20-2012, 10:20 AM   #15
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Sorry, just read your post. If you had a 2005, then you indeed are talking about 300 extra pounds. I guess I should read closer before I respond.
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Old 01-20-2012, 10:53 AM   #16
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I'm not immediately available to get the exact UBW of my 27FB, however, I do know that the tongue weight is about 125lbs more than my 2005 year model 25' Safari SS. There was indeed a difference pulling the 25' versus the 27'. The Expedition did not feel sluggish pulling the 25', it did however feel sluggish with the 27' and felt less stable on the freeway. Your Tundra's towing capability is probably better than the Ford Expedition and without researching, I'm certain it would be capable of handling the 27FB better than the Expedition. For me, I was very uncomfortable with the feel of the Expedition while towing the 27FB. The Expedition felt underpowered and did not feel stable on the road when towing the 27FB. With the F350, it doesn't feel like the 27FB is behind me. There is much discussion and opinions regarding 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton vehicles when towing 25' or longer trailers, I'm only providing my opinion based on my personel experience.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:17 AM   #17
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There's always the Slimp Dolly!

Seriously, ever watch "The Long Long Trailer"? They used one there.

If you're not familiar with it, a slimp dolly is a little contraption that usually had one or two wheels that would castor like the ones on a shopping cart. You attached this dolly to the tongue of the trailer and then the dolly's hitch hooked to your tow vehicle. The dolly carried the entire weight of the tongue of the trailer so that the tow vehicle only had to pull it, not pull it AND lift it.

They were big in the 40's and 50's. I know speeds have increased and so that would probably outdate the old ones. But it was an excellent idea and I really don't understand why they ever stopped using them. Seems to me that it would eliminate a whole host of problems....

It would definitely reduce sway because now you have a real point of contact with the road up front, even if the dolly axle does castor, it won't scrub laterally or sideways.

You just did away with all weight distribution bar problems.

You just made it easier on the tow vehicle by a bunch! As well it would open up the possibility of a larger array of suitable tow vehicles.

I just don't see any negatives with them at all except maybe making it a little harder to back up, but you could have a lock out linkage for that.

Maybe I need to engineer a modern slimp dolly and start selling them
That's about the coolest thing I have read about towing in months! WOW - what an idea. I never heard of it before. We watched the Long, Long, Trailer many times and laughed hilariously. I often wondered how large trailers were towed by sedans in that era. SLIMP DOLLY!

The idea of eliminating all this WD contraption is elegant. Are there no modern slimp dollies? Off to Google that!
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:28 AM   #18
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I have the 27FB Classic and tow it with an F250 diesel crew cab. Wouldn't consider anything with less power although the ecoboost certainly is interesting.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:07 PM   #19
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I'm towing my 2011 27FB with a 2010 Tundra 5.7 w/tow package rated at 10500 LB. Been on the road since June and logged over 18000 miles with no tow issues.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:28 PM   #20
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The 25 had a GVWR of 7300. The 27 has a GVWR of 7600. Did the extra 300 pounds make that much of a difference?
I'm wondering the same??

The whole Expy/Airstream would weigh approx 13,000lbs. A few more 100lbs should not be noticeable. Aerodynamicly there should be no difference.

If there was a stability issue difference between the 25/27 then maybe the connection needed attention/upgrading/adjusting/??
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:32 PM   #21
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Jim Golden, take a look at this web site, no need to engineer it, they are still available.
www.trailertoad.com

never used one, don't know anything more than what i've seen on this web.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:33 AM   #22
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Question ?

I've been following this thread with interest, as we tow our 27FB with a 1500 Suburban. Our Sub has worked fine so far; most of our travel is along the Nor Cal coast. We just take the occasional mountain pass slowly.

However, I've never seen anyone talk about how much "sag" is acceptable when hitched up. Depending on what chain link I use when connecting my WD hitch, I can end up with 0, 1, or 1 1/2 inch sag below perfectly level measured with a tape.

How much variance off perfectly level is OK? I don't seem to notice any difference in handling, just wondering about safety, effects on TV suspension, tires, etc.

Thanks for your help; these forums are great.

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I've been following this thread with interest, as we tow our 27FB with a 1500 Suburban. Our Sub has worked fine so far; most of our travel is along the Nor Cal coast. We just take the occasional mountain pass slowly.

However, I've never seen anyone talk about how much "sag" is acceptable when hitched up. Depending on what chain link I use when connecting my WD hitch, I can end up with 0, 1, or 1 1/2 inch sag below perfectly level measured with a tape.

How much variance off perfectly level is OK? I don't seem to notice any difference in handling, just wondering about safety, effects on TV suspension, tires, etc.

Thanks for your help; these forums are great.

Paul

Paul,


I'm a little over an 1" 1/2 high on the steering axle when hitched for towing with a "dock'n" load. I am 100lbs light, but that makes no difference in stability or performance, and I am unwilling to transfer any more weight to the trailer axles to attain perfection.

It's hardly noticeable visually.

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Old 01-21-2012, 12:07 PM   #24
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Jim Golden, take a look at this web site, no need to engineer it, they are still available.
www.trailertoad.com

never used one, don't know anything more than what i've seen on this web.
The trailer toad is an excellent product; used by many drag racers to ease the stress of towing very heavy race car trailers with motor homes which have suspect rear frames, pushers already loaded pretty heavy in the arse, and ones with huge rear overhang. Also has a simple mechanism to flip for backing up. Good people to deal with too.
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:16 PM   #25
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The previous owner of my vintage 27-footer told me of at least 1 very dangerous incident involving the trailer almost wagging his 1/2 ton truck right off the road. Granted, it was an older, smaller 1/2 ton than the modern F-150s. I considered a newer F-150, but went with an older 2500 Suburban and have yet to feel the slightest wagging, even in strong crosswinds being passed by semis. Your 27-footer is half-again as heavy as mine, forget the 1/2 ton unless you're just towing to the local lake on summer weekends.
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:06 PM   #26
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Well Dang, looks like the TrailerToad guys beat me to it

Really though, it looks pretty much like what I had in mind; a modernized version of the slimp dolly with two full size wheels. I still think that is an excellent notion.

Hey, if there's room for the HA and the Propride, then there just might be room for the TrailerToad and the Jim Special Slimp Dolly Mine will have 17" wheels with E rated Michelins on nice looking mags....

Really though, all jokes aside, I do think the slimp dolly is a great idea. I pull my 34 footer using a 1400 lb Equal-I-Zer and have towed it thousands of miles with no problems. But if you look on these forums, you will see endless wars of Equal-I-Zer vs. Reese Dual Cam vs. Hensley Arrow vs. Propride. I think all four are good hitches; with the latter two being much better than the first two, but also costing quite a bit more. But, the slimp dolly really should eliminate just about any sway possible, make it way easier on the tow vehicle, and maybe even make hitch ups easier. They're good joojoo.

Anyway, we've kind of hijacked the original thread. Bottom line: Get a 3/4 ton diesel and go see the world
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Wink Holie Kow!!!

Thats more than I paid for my....

The Trailer Toad 3500HD

The best value in towing. Protect your coach. Better Handling.

Better stopping and much smoother ride when towing.

$3195.00*

*Does not include Weight-Distribution Hitch or drawbar (shank).

**A weight-distribution hitch and drawbar are REQUIRED!!!!!

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I noticed that...well when I do my design I will make it so that you don't need that stuff.

Actually, this one is set up a bit differently than the ones of old.... Anyway, it's fun to think about. Would be a neat project.
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