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Old 03-27-2018, 10:15 PM   #1
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Need help deciding on purchasing tow pick-up

I currently pull our 2016 23FB max weight 6000 pounds with a 2017 Audi Q7. Recently I decided I could spend less and get better gas mileage with a new 150/1500 Pickup. Lots of decisions and feelings around this decision including giving up my Q7. First I liked the idea of Ram 1500 diesel because of the great gas mileage, but now I'm thinking the extra cost of the diesel at the pump may not be worth it. Overall I like the Ford 150, the Navigation responds really well and other features I like are blind side BLISS which I'm told you can program your trailer into its system. 36 gallon gas tank, tow package, front spotlights. Seems like extension mirrors are hard to find, but would be helpful. The 2.7L V6 EcoBoost® Payload Package I was told gives you 400 pounds of torque and just under 8000 pounds of towing. Like there 10 speed transmission. Not sure if I've priced myself too high.
Could use some direction in terms of must have features/ engines or anything else from your experience.

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Old 03-27-2018, 10:34 PM   #2
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I believe I would opt for the 3.5 Ecoboost if I wanted a Ford and possible a truck with the Heavy Duty Payload Package.
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Old 03-28-2018, 04:11 AM   #3
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Looks like you have a favorite. One thing to consider. Carrying capacity. 600 lbs on tongue
300 lbs humans. Adds up fast.

Diesel around here has a 25% premium with 50% better mileage. At 60k miles, the added engine cost will be paid off.

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Old 03-28-2018, 04:54 AM   #4
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In my opinion, diesel has just one advantage, that being power.
Economy is not an advantage. Aside from the initial upcharge, the maintenance costs are higher. $30 fuel filters, 10 qt oil changes, anti-gel additives, DEF and the unhappy emissions sensors. I’ve had two Duramax and a diesel Jetta. Seems like I always had a wrench in my hand.
It takes a lot of miles for diesel fuel cost vs. mpg to make sense economically. If you’re driving a lot of miles, go for it.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:00 AM   #5
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Ram 1500 Eco Diesel

We tow a 17 30 ft Flying cloud.

Could not be happier with the Eco Diesel. Keep in mind that a diesel will run in the 2-3K RPMs all day every day. No screaming motor going up long grades. I consistently get 14-16 MPG towing. I tow on the highway 10 MPG over speed limit up to 70. So 70 most of the time. Please don't judge me.

Selling points.
MPG
Optional air suspension
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Negatives:

soft air suspension required me to step up to a ProPride hitch.

Once I got things set it is a joy to drive. nearly 15K miles during our first year.

All 1500 trucks will tow a trailer your size.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:29 AM   #6
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Get the 3.5 EcoBoost. The 2.7 is a great engine, but for towing you will be better served with the 3.5.
Check your payload. That’s where most vehicles, including your Q7, tend to come up short. Everything in the tow vehicle, including fuel, counts against payload.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:48 AM   #7
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I towed our flying cloud 25 with a '15 Ford 3.5 ecoboost. That truck was really nice. I think around 11 mpg towing, but 21/22 mpg otherwise.

I traded it for a '17 F250. I wanted more truck. My lovely wife, the 'Navigator', keeps talking about a Classic 30 footer

I think if you're going to keep the 23 foot, or if you plan some day to up your trailer to a 25 foot airstream, the F150 3.5 ecoboost would be a good choice if you want a a pickup truck.
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Old 03-28-2018, 06:57 AM   #8
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Where’s the requirement for a pickup? (Items that can’t be carried in the TT or TV passenger compartment; solo & towing).

Going from best of type to worst needs more examination. A wide range of potential TVs is possible.

Most duty is solo. That is what drives smart vehicle spec.

Call Andy Thomson at Can Am RV (a contributor here). Off the top of his head after a few questions he can steer you towards sane choices.

Get the full array.

Were pickups necessary, this trailer type would never have succeeded. They weren’t necessary — or even a good choice — then or now.

The compromise needs to be quantified. Slower, less capable and unsteady by comparison.

Take your time.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:52 AM   #9
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I have a 2013 5.0 v8 f150, ansd wish I had the 3.5 ecoboost. better milage, great power, and the lighter aluminum body make it a great choice.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:18 AM   #10
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In my opinion, diesel has just one advantage, that being power.
Economy is not an advantage. Aside from the initial upcharge, the maintenance costs are higher. $30 fuel filters, 10 qt oil changes, anti-gel additives, DEF and the unhappy emissions sensors. I’ve had two Duramax and a diesel Jetta. Seems like I always had a wrench in my hand.
It takes a lot of miles for diesel fuel cost vs. mpg to make sense economically. If you’re driving a lot of miles, go for it.
So a $30 fuel filter lasts 15000 miles, $12 def lasts for 2000 miles and extra $40 at each 7500 miles for oil. That's around a penny a mile. Other than major repairs, where is the extra cost?


And getting 50% better mileage than my next door neighbor who talked me into a diesel.

I'm new to diesel and love towing the 30' Classic with it.

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Old 03-28-2018, 09:19 AM   #11
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I currently pull our 2016 23FB max weight 6000 pounds with a 2017 Audi Q7. Recently I decided I could spend less and get better gas mileage with a new 150/1500 Pickup. Lots of decisions and feelings around this decision including giving up my Q7. First I liked the idea of Ram 1500 diesel because of the great gas mileage, but now I'm thinking the extra cost of the diesel at the pump may not be worth it. Overall I like the Ford 150, the Navigation responds really well and other features I like are blind side BLISS which I'm told you can program your trailer into its system. 36 gallon gas tank, tow package, front spotlights. Seems like extension mirrors are hard to find, but would be helpful. The 2.7L V6 EcoBoost® Payload Package I was told gives you 400 pounds of torque and just under 8000 pounds of towing. Like there 10 speed transmission. Not sure if I've priced myself too high.
Could use some direction in terms of must have features/ engines or anything else from your experience.

Bruce
I purchased a 2016 RAM 1500 eco diesel. It has great torque and I use it to pull my Flying Cloud 23FB which weighs 6000 lb. The truck easily pulls this trailer. Around town I get over 27 MPG and pulling my trailer I get 17 MPG. You can't beat these statistics. Prior to purchasing my eco diesel I had a RAM 1500 with a hemi engine. It got 15 MPG around town and 11 MPG pulling my trailer. You should be able to purchase the RAM eco diesel with an $11,000 discount which is what I received.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:41 AM   #12
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Going through the same considerations right now for my 23ft Safari SE (23D basically).
The Ford 3.5 eco boost and Toyota Tundra are the two I am down to.
Am pretty well settled on a Tundra due to the little or no repair costs I have had over the roughly 12 yr life of my 3 past Toyota SUVs. Gas is probably close to the Eco Boost in towing and a few mpg less not towing, but if you keep it for 12 yrs that difference is made up quickly in reduced repair costs. Just under 10,000 lb tow capacity and approx. 1650 payload.
I owned a new F250 in 2003, it lasted a year being too stiff a ride while not towing and uncomfortable around town, plus 3 trips to the shop. I am sure it would have been a good tow vehicle if that is all I wanted it for. I have had several Ford vehicles and all were good vehicles, but the Toyotas were to me, just a step above in quality, both fit/finish and mechanical. I am sure either vehicle would be a good choice.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:05 AM   #13
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Another consideration: GMC 1500 Denali 4wd.
Very comfortable with lots of technology. The engine is the "strongest" gas I could find - did not want to go diesel. It has 460lbs of torque, and handles trailer uphill without gasping. I recently weighed the rig, and trailer is 5900 pounds with a full fresh-water tank, and 1.5 full LPS. The truck has an 8 speed transmission, and with cruise control on, she held speed up and down really well. On our last trip, from AR to Los Angeles and back, total miles were 3875, and the average MPG for the trip was 12.8. I think the average diesel would get about 14-15 towing, so this clearly shows that "gas mileage" is not much of an advantage for the diesels. If you can wait, I'm reading the 2019 GMC will have the 10-speed transmission, and a rear view camera program to replace the typical "dash-mount" aftermarket, and cameras in the side mirrors to replace need for adding bigger mirrors. Furthermore, it's trailering software will have trailer-specific programming to include checklist and diagnostic. It is a pricy truck, but it has features and strength beyond my expectation. I've got 12,000 miles on it, and no failures at this point.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:26 AM   #14
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I currently pull our 2016 23FB max weight 6000 pounds with a 2017 Audi Q7. Recently I decided I could spend less and get better gas mileage with a new 150/1500 Pickup.
As someone that may have a Q7 in their (moderate distant) future, I wanted to get more info as to what makes you want to abandon the Q7. What mileage do you get now, I assume you have the 3.0T? The economics of writing off the "loss" on a very new vehicle to replace it with another more rapidly depreciating vehicle is hard for me to do the math on, but thats up to each person to weigh. I am just curious as to what about the Q7 isn't up to your liking, as its a phenomenal rig.
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