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Old 08-20-2007, 04:46 PM   #1
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Need Advice On Purchasing A New Tow Vehicle

I posted a thread about a week ago about towing with my V6 and got alot of great advice from everybody. I now know that I need to get a new tow vehicle and would love some help choosing the right one.
So far Ive been looking at some 2000-2002 Ford F250's and would like any feed back if that's what you are using. Im looking to spend between 12,000 and 16,000. My main questions are:
What type of gas milage does the V10 get?
How many miles is too many, when do these vehicles really start having problems?
Any tips or information is greatly appreciated. I really need to get this handled so i can move on to purchasing my airstream!
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:56 PM   #2
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I am new as well to Airstreams, but I have a 2000 F350 Diesel, crew cab, 4x4 (does not have duals) - It pulled my new (1974) 29' Ambassador through the mountains of PA without dropping below 65 mph. Mileage was in the low teens and I did not have a brake controller yet - no problem with braking the extra load. I purchased the truck with 50,000 miles at 5 years old for $25K - cost a fortune to fix (ball joints, brakes, etc.) but I would but another. I am restoring a 1977 IH Scout for the official tow vehicle, more period and fun to drive….Regards, Jay
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:59 PM   #3
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The V10 should get about 15-16 mpg not towing, and about 10-11 towing.
As long as the truck has been relatively well maintained, you can expect to get over 150,000 miles on it before needing serious work. The exceptions, of course, are normal maintenance items. The early ones had issues witht he pistons galling. If it knocks for a minute or so after startup, look for another truck.
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:02 PM   #4
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I am restoring a 1977 IH Scout for the official tow vehicle, more period and fun to drive….Regards, Jay
The Scout II doesn't have a long enough wheelbaseto do any long distance towing of your Ambassador. A Travelall would be a much better choice, if you want a vintage International tow vehicle. Also, I don't remember the Scout having a box frame under it, only a Unibody configuration. It has been sevedral years since I crawled under one, so I may be suffereing from a faulty memory about the frame.
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:04 PM   #5
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We bought a 2000 Excursion V-10 to tow our 34 ft. It gets 10 mpg towing @ 60 mph and 16 mpg not towing at 65mph. Also 12mph in town. We have 80,000 miles, got it at 72k and paid 12500...it also has the 4.30 posi rear end.I've had pickups and this is nicer as everything is undercover in back.
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:39 PM   #6
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The Scout II doesn't have a long enough wheelbaseto do any long distance towing of your Ambassador. A Travelall would be a much better choice, if you want a vintage International tow vehicle. Also, I don't remember the Scout having a box frame under it, only a Unibody configuration. It has been sevedral years since I crawled under one, so I may be suffereing from a faulty memory about the frame.
Terry,

I did crawl under a mid 1960's scout about 20 years ago and it has a fully boxed frame, no unibody.

BTW, it is one heavy vehicle.

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The Scout II that I used to have had a V8 and body on frame construction.
Even so it would not be my choice to tow your trailer. Short wheelbase and designed for other duties. Remember this is only my opinion.
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Thanks, guys, about the frame reminder. They say there are two ways to tell you are getting old. The first one is, you can't remember anything, and I've forgotten what the second is...
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Old 08-20-2007, 06:05 PM   #9
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Thanks, guys, about the frame reminder. They say there are two ways to tell you are getting old. The first one is, you can't remember anything, and I've forgotten what the second is...
Or, the memory is the second thing to go and I forgot the first.

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Old 08-20-2007, 06:23 PM   #10
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i appreciate the feedback everyone. as for the scouts, i have a 76 and two 80's but am not interested in towing any great distances in these. they are amazing vehicles but i am looking for something more reliable/comfortable.
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Old 08-20-2007, 08:41 PM   #11
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Ryan,
I use to be anti-diesel prior to buying my '77 Excella 500 31' and '86 Sovereign 25'. After towing the '77 with a '92 Chevy Z71 with 5.7 engine and 5 sp. manual trans, I knew I needed a bigger/more powerful truck. About that time my son rolled the '92. Off to Chevy to test drive an '01 2500hd 4X4 with 6 litre engine/4 sp. auto trans, 4.10 rear end. My first impression was that it was OK but I kept hearing about 6 litre Chevy gas engine problems. I stopped by Ford next and test drove a '99 F250 diesel and was disappointed in the performance. I test drove an '01 F250 with V-10. Another disappointment because both trucks couldn't get out of their own way. I had heard glowing reports on the Chevy 8.1 so bought the Chevy 2500hd with 8.1, Allison Transmission and 3.73. It had snappier performance than the 6 litre and both Fords. I have been pleased with it even at 68,000 miles. I just couldn't swing the extra $4K for the Duramax but was willing to give it a try at the time.

I would buy the 7.3 Power Stroke before I would buy the V-10. Although they have made some performance improvements in the V-10 over the last several years, you are looking at specific years. The 7.3 pretty much had many of the bugs worked out over the years but it also had a rough start. I would also have second thoughts about the 6 litre Ford Diesel engine. It was plagued with reliability problems. I think the real hoss will be the new twin turbo diesel Ford is installing in their trucks now.
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I tow with a F350 Deisel 4X4... I love the power and milage. The pulling is great but the truck was expensive. The purchase of a new TV really rides on the amount of trailer you intend to purchase. The great thing about the F250 or F350 in Deisel is that they just don't wear out!

The engine in mine is really just hitting the peak milage at 70,000 miles. I regularly get 18 to 20 MPG without trying while just driving around town, and 14-15 towing at 75 MPH! I just set hte cruise and let her go. The truck is pulling my whopping 19' Bambi!

Some would call it too much truck... It is... the nice thing is knowing I'm not abusing my truck engine towing at highway speeds. On the other hand... The day to day driving is really rough in the F350. I have driven the new Toyota 5.7L Tundra Crew Max and think I might make that my new ride... Like a little gentler ride for day to day driving. If you can afford a separate ride for daily driving, who cares... If you're like most of us, it does. Remember... We pull a very small amount of time relative to our every day life... Just don't kid yourself into buying too little TV! That's a real bummer! Have lived through that too! Get plenty of truck, but remember how much truck you really need relative to the bulk of your driving!

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IH Scouts are great vehcles. I drove one every day in the Border Patrol in 1970 in the desert of SoCal. I really doubt that hey have any towing capability to speak of.
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Worth repeating....

Posted this info elsewhere but it is worth repeating here again...

I have a '92 34' AS that I LOVE!!!! Called SilverToy - christened by my then 3y/o son on the tow home.... What shall we call her? "SilverToy!" It doesn't get any better than that!

As to the tow weights, the mileage, the TV and all the attendant minutia that tend to bog these type discussions down in a flash..... let me offer my own expereinces as a 'middle of the road' type guide - do with it as you see fit.

I have an 01 2500HD Burb with the 6L and the el480 (did I get that right?) and the 3.68 rearend.

This combo is used in 98% of my driving which consists of stop and go, some travel at speed, and some "ELSE"..... It works REALLY well for that. Probably uses more fuel for the above than the 5.3 L but then there are the other 2% of the driving.....

The other 2% of driving is over terreign that is unusual and more taxing, above and beyond the normal sense of what driving should be when I TT is in tow. The size of the TT would add a lot to the equation, if there was to be one.dz

If your driving consists primarily of towing/ REALLY HILLY AREAS, or similiar - I had 12+% grades that caused trans fits when ever I pulled the the AS HOME.
For these there is REALLY SOMETHING IMPORTANT that the 2500HD has that DOES NOT EXIST IN THE 5.3 L MOTOR and its ilk.... there is the brakes to consider.STOPPING ANY unit from 60mph in a panik stiatuation is the "Standard" that everyone should measure against - YOU CANNOT FAKE BRAKES! There is also the cooling that comes into play. there are inmunerable issues that point to why anyone with brains would get in to at least the 6L in the 25000HD PACKAGE.

Again, there are 2 lines that cross that ONLY YOU can draw for yourself, your TV, and your TT.

My TV doesn't tow 98% OF THE TIME! For the 2%, there are comprimises that I MUST make since I have the smaller motor. I DO have ALL THE HD components that tow OUT OF SITUATIONS where bigger HD motor would have, perhaps, been in order. The 6L does fine!!!! Maybe not at the MPH I might like for a 8 or 12 mile climb..... but I balance that against the mileage I get when I do NOT tow...... I few 40mph situations vs. consistant 16+mpg or minus trips all around town (with NO TT) and at best of about 2
additional when not towing. NOT worth the tradeoff of it all to me.

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