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Old 06-15-2009, 02:43 PM   #15
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We just bought an '08 Ram Quad cab with Hemi and really love it. We previously towed our 23' 1970 Safari with our 2005 Hemi Grand Cherokee or our 2002 4.7L Dakota. The Jeep has gobs of torque, but the short wheel base made my wife a little uncomfortable in some situations. I personally love the Jeep/Airstream combo. It's nice to be able to U-turn on two lane roads and go anywhere. I figure we're at around 4500 lbs in the trailer loaded and we have one child, so not too much stuff. I get 20 mpg at 50 mph steady state cruise in 4 cyl mode (no trailer), though you really have to work to get this kind of mileage. Just wanted to pipe in about Chryslers. Where headed to Wyoming/SD/CO next month so I can give a good report on the Ram after that.
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:56 PM   #16
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After 140,000 miles on my chevy 250HD duramax, and several times through the Rockies, I have never been short of HP. I did put a BD exhaust brake on it, and I am still on the original brake pads. all I have had to replace is battery and normal service every 3,000 miles.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:58 PM   #17
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I agree with others on this thread that diesels are the best way to go if you want power and fuel economy. My 6.0L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel Excursion has a gear ratio of 3.73 and it screams up inclines.
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Old 06-15-2009, 04:11 PM   #18
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My 6.0L Power Stroke Turbo Diesel Excursion has a gear ratio of 3.73 and it screams up inclines.
screaming uphill = good
screaming down hill = not good

disk brakes on all four wheels are nice
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:44 PM   #19
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screaming uphill = good
screaming down hill = not good

Disk brakes on all four wheels are nice
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:05 PM   #20
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Lots of ideas most of them good. My 2 cents is that if you are going to tow in the mountains particularly at altitude you need a 3/4 ton vehicle, with a 10,000 pound tow rating. Loaded up, your rig will push 7,500 pounds. Look at the combined vehicle rating also. As another poster said, you may have a ton of stuff in your tow vehicle with fuel, passengers and cargo. Half ton vehicles climb o.k. but they tend to get pushed on down hill corners, brake more slowly and are more subject to trailer sway due to soft rear end suspension.
I like the convenience of towing with a enclosed passenger vehicle rather than a pickup. Dog, passengers and cargo are easier to deal with.
My current vehicle is diesel, unfortunately no longer made. It gets 11 to 14 mpg towing a 25 foot Safari. I drive at 65 mph.
Owners of gas rigs report similar mileage. I am skeptical. I went on a road trip with a person who had an identical tow vehicle to mine except it was a V-10. We drove at the same speeds. He got 9 to 11 mph which is what I got with my last gas tow vehicle. Diesels are known to have an advantage in fuel economy.
However, it takes many years to pay for the increased cost of the diesel by fuel savings. Unless you plan to keep your tow vehicle for hundreds of thousands of miles or prefer a diesel, a gas engine works just fine.
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Old 06-15-2009, 06:14 PM   #21
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I went on a road trip with a person who had an identical tow vehicle to mine except it was a V-10. We drove at the same speeds. He got 9 to 11 mph which is what I got with my last gas tow vehicle.
That doesn't surprize me at all. Assuming it was a Ford, that's one of the most fuel thirsty vehicles on the road.
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Old 06-16-2009, 07:24 AM   #22
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I'd choose and did choose an F-250 Crew Cab diesel. With the 3/4 ton you have the Tow Haul transmission which virtually eliminates braking while going down mountain passes. You have tow vehicle brakes that are much, much more robust, you have enhanced cooling, more stable 16" tires, enhanced suspension, etc, etc. With a Chevy or GMC diesel, you'd have virtually the same enhancements, just go 3/4 ton. With the 3/4 ton, you won't need a lot of enhancements other than what trim level you desire. Pretty much all the needed towing enhancements will come with the truck. You will be pleased with the 3/4 ton.
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:19 AM   #24
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We towed our 23 foot A/S (4500 loaded) with our 2005 Grand Cherokee(Hemi) as well as our 2002 4.7L Dakota with no issues. The Hemi has buckets of torque and easily pulled this trailer. With the Dakota, I knew it was back there, as the 4.7L just doesn't have the grunt that the Hemi has. We just have one 6 year old, so the Grand Cherokee had plenty of room. We really like the Grand Cherokee since we could get into just about any camping spot, anywhere. We pulled into a campground in Midland after some serious rain. I pulled into the assigned spot and the Jeep and trailer sunk into mud. The Jeep was in a few inches of clay/mud but the trailer was up to it's axle. We had a nice crowd of help. After getting out and assessing, we decided reverse was our only way out. We slipped and slid a little but the Jeep found traction and pushed the trailer out. I was so proud I almost cried. We get 12-13 mpg around Michigan pulling the trailer. I've got 19 MPG at 50 mph out of the Jeep. Most times it's 16-17 mpg. Just bought an '08 Hemi Ram quad cab (which we love too) and we're headed to Wyoming next month, so I'll have mileage info after that. My Dakota was by far the most dependable and well built vehicle I have owned. It never went back to the dealer. I had to replace the gas cap once and did front brakes every 20K, but otherwise it was flawless and did not a have a rattle or squeak when I sold it at 90K miles.
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:21 AM   #25
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Sorry for the second post. I didn't realize the first was there.
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:39 AM   #26
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My Sequoia and the tundra have over 400 ft lbs of torque and a 4:1 rear end. I get about 12-14 mph towing. Once you go over 65mph it goes down . I live in colorado with 11,000 ft passes and have never lacked for power. Even when I towed my friends 2004 28' safari. which is nearly 2000 lbs heavier than my '68.

I have never been over a pass that I couldn't have gone faster up.. But then some you just don't want to go fast up...

The Tundra would also work and CrafordGene tows his 25' and loves it.
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Old 06-16-2009, 11:32 AM   #27
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Remember that years ago, most large size cars, pulled 31 foot Airstreams, all over the world.

To buy a truck that has the ability to tow the Queen Mary, is a waste of money, and if it has rigid suspension, such as a 4 X 4 then many times it all by itself, will induce damages to the trailer.

Excessive torsion bars ratings, also contribute to trailer damages.

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Andy, Appreciate your expert opinion. However, I am a total newbie. I really would like to know which truck and its configuration would do the deed and not hurt my o6 classic.
I want as much truck as I need for towing in mountains yet I don’t want to damage our Classic 25 ft.. I have other cars for daily transport. Airperson
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