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Old 04-27-2015, 10:13 PM   #15
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We are retired and travel extensively. We just finished another cross-country trip (this one about 5,000 miles), one of many with our 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi. With our ProPride hitch it tows beautifully in all types of weather and terrain. The "secret" is using the transmission to keep the engine rpm in the power range, and to provide downhill braking.

We are considering a new Ram 1500 Ecodiesel for the low rpm torque and fuel economy, but a great alternative is a new Dodge Durango Hemi for better handling with the trailer and daily driver without. Yes, when retired and out for long term travel, a great daily driver that we both can drive with ease is important.

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Old 04-28-2015, 12:24 PM   #16
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I went from a 1/2 ton gas truck to a 3/4 ton diesel and have never been sorry. Remember to consider payload capacity not just towing capacity.
People, gear, gas, and tongue weight of your Airstream are included in payload total. Don't forget gross combined weight limits of tow vehicle. Don't push the limits of either.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:25 PM   #17
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:37 PM   #19
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Another 1/2 ton user here towing a 2014 Flying Cloud 27fb, our "Shiny Pete".

Like has already been said, payload on any 1/2 ton is the limiting factor, they all pretty much will be rated to tow 8000-11,000 lbs. depending on exact drive-train config. Payload depending on manufacturer and options, can be 1000-about 1900lbs from what I've seen.

We had our 2013 F150 crew cab XLT 2wd with 5.0L v8 and 3.55 rear-end before we bought Pete. Fortunately it has a 1651lb payload available, which with careful loading handles our 6500lb (loaded/wet) 27fb with 1000lb hitch weight just fine. We don't put much in the bed and we truly enjoy the ProPride hitch I lucked into for 1/3 the cost of a new one. Course, we haven't been out West yet...........

Seriously though, for how we camp (weekends and a few weeks in the summer) in the Southeast, so far so good with the 1/2 ton. Pick the tow vehicle carefuly, as you have that opportunity. And then pick a hitch carefully and set it up carefully, and you'll be very happy. Searching on AirForums will provide excellant education.
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Old 04-28-2015, 12:49 PM   #20
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I'm gonna guess none of you has used a car. Quite a different, and better, experience.

The physics of the thing doesn't lie.

A truck is fine if one needs a truck. I'd call that IRS deductible business miles. Otherwise one hardly needs it, just wants it.

One handicaps an AS by using a truck.

The point is that a truck is not the default choice. Ignorance only makes it seem so.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:06 PM   #21
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I'm gonna guess none of you has used a car. Quite a different, and better, experience.

The physics of the thing doesn't lie.

A truck is fine if one needs a truck. I'd call that IRS deductible business miles. Otherwise one hardly needs it, just wants it.

One handicaps an AS by using a truck.

The point is that a truck is not the default choice. Ignorance only makes it seem so.
Slowmover, You continue to be the proponent of towing with a car, yet you use a 3/4 ton Diesel truck, unless you have recently changed.

Additionally, please show me a "car" with a 11,500lb towing capacity (the gross weight of my trailer), and a 1650lb weight carrying capacity (actual load we regularly carry).
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:39 PM   #22
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Need a Tow Vehicle for a 27FB Flying Cloud

SteveH you can show yourself. What percentage of TW remained on your truck with 100% FALR?

And how did it look with 115%. Easier to do with a car. Good luck with believing "ratings" meant to push folks to a high profit pickup.

And how accurate is that TW? What percent increase over base? I've already seen more than one example here of scale tickets being misread (not that you did, but you'll admit the TW is higher than expected).

One has to be more careful with with high COG vehicles when it comes to WDH.

Where are those scale tickets ? Including the wheel by wheel ones.

See axle load limits for the car envisioned. No different than what we did with a heavier than an AS Silver Streak decades ago. It'll distribute.

And how is it some of you all can't distinguish an abstract argument from what isn't. "What is best" isn't the same as what one does, by necessity. A truck is a poor default choice for this trailer type. One gives up important margins of safety by doing so. Solo and towing.

Folks like to rationalize that they are immune from statistics of injury, death and the rest in choosing a pickup. Good luck with that. Only takes once.

And until one has tried a better combination rig, don't let ignorance cloud opinion.

I'm not a vacationer. If I were I sure wouldn't use a truck. Since I needed a truck for business some years ago, it worked well for me to keep it. 205k and $300 in repairs. 21-mpg average all miles. But I don't drive solo much more than 5-6k miles/year, now. And the truck has more than 1,100-lbs of tools and gear needed to maintain and repair both vehicles. An additional few hundred for work related gear and supplies. I'm no longer a property owner. The back of the truck is like my garage. So, once I sell the older SS and can focus exclusively on the newer one that load will whittle down. How far down is years away at present.
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Old 04-28-2015, 01:43 PM   #23
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Towed our 28ft International with a 2010 F150 5.4 Supercrew and it pulled ok power wise but I was uncomfortable with the handling and braking.Not enough payload capacity we were maxed out.
Traded for a New 2012 F350 Supercrew 6.7 turbo diesel and there was a huge difference in its towing characteristics.Traded after 39,900 miles for a New 2015 F350 Platinum Supercrew and this truck is unbelievably quiet,rides good,tows like a freight train and stops quickly.I cant imagine a better tow vehicle for our use.Now I dont worry about taking gear with me for adventures as I know this truck can handle it.The changes to the 2015 are a great addition to our towing comfort.

We wont ever go back to a 1/2 ton for towing now that I have had them both!
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:08 PM   #24
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We use a F250 single rear axle 6.7 turbo diesel to pull our 2010 27FB.
Great team for us. Flatland or 11,000 plus elevation, no snivels from the 250. Absolutely way too expensive till you are in a tight curve and the TV makes the AS behave and stay to the rear where it belongs. Then you think to yourself, smart investment!

We started with a 2009 23' Flying Cloud and a half ton Chevy which was not enough truck and the trailer could bully it. We traded up to s 3/4 ton for size, weight and power. Went with Ford because it was built without taxpayer dollars.
Bet of luck with the 27FB you will love it and wish you'd done it years ago.
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Old 04-28-2015, 02:14 PM   #25
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There are no more V8 rear wheel drive full size cars.
I can't imagine towing with my Toyota Avalon.


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Old 04-28-2015, 02:19 PM   #26
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Your mission and lifestyle will determine your tow vehicle. This is the same logic I apply to the "Do I need 4 wheel drive" debate.

Arguing over whats the best is irrelevant if the best is a sh//ty match to your lifestyle and needs.
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Your mission and lifestyle will determine your tow vehicle. This is the same logic I apply to the "Do I need 4 wheel drive" debate.

Arguing over whats the best is irrelevant if the best is a sh//ty match to your lifestyle and needs.
That's a fact.
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Old 04-28-2015, 04:14 PM   #28
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I tow a 27FB with a Porsche Cayenne Diesel. Plenty of torque, powerful brakes, stiff suspension and low profile tires. A very stable TV. Pulls the 27FB no problem. Set cruise at 65 or 70 and roll. 17 mpg plus when towing at 65 on a mixture of hills and flat. 22 / 28 unhitched (city / highway) if I'm not too "lead foot".

Payload will be the main limitation with this TV and you may want to consider lightening tongue weight some. I tow with a ProPride but I towed for a while with an Eaz-Lift and 2 friction sway control units which is the setup Can-Am RV recommends for this combination.

The VW Touareg is the sister vehicle and also very capable - lots of folks on here towing with it.

Selection of a vehicle is a very personal choice especially when it will not be a dedicated TV. You will need to decide what importance to give towing prowess relative to other factors. If you want a truck, great, go buy a truck, if not there are many non truck vehicles that are very capable TV's.

You will love the 27FB. Plenty of room and a great layout.
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