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Old 08-11-2015, 11:47 PM   #15
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"It also comes down to..." knowing how to drive. This is not a tricycle towing your sibling in a Red wagon, needs some training, practice, presence of mind. I am still surprised that the rentals go out with less training than a Class 2 driver would get.
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Old 08-12-2015, 05:43 AM   #16
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I can't help but think that this is not a good place to promote towing with small cars, or to be plugging Can-AM.

I totally disagree with the comment " it all comes down to "
My bad.

I was merely telling a personal experience of just recently meeting someone that was towing a 27; with an Aura.

I wasn't passing a judgement on this persons choice of TV or making any sort of judgement on how they drove. There is no information on road conditions as there could have been a torrential down pour earlier, or vehicle condition, i.e. a blowout.

You must agree that having a suitable TV with a properly setup hitch can make up for a boneheaded drivers decision in a pinch.

I do agree that the term "it all comes down to" was a poor choice of words and I apologize.

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Old 08-12-2015, 06:07 AM   #17
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I know one thing. Debates about Airstream quality control aside, that is one tough trailer. I can't imagine any SOB surviving that intact.
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Old 08-12-2015, 06:53 AM   #18
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I know one thing. Debates about Airstream quality control aside, that is one tough trailer. I can't imagine any SOB surviving that intact.
Agree, from the limited photos the trailer looks surprisingly intact. Most any other trailer after the reported rollover would of been totally shredded. From the first time I heard of the Airstream/tow vehicle rental schem I expected there would be accidents. Happens all the time with MOHO rentals. I do not see how the choice of a TV is a factor in this incident. Inexperience is the perfect recipe for disaster. Can you imagine the carnage if just anyone was able to walk in off the street with no documentation of training, type experience and licensing to rent an aircraft.
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:03 AM   #19
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Oh my. That's definitely a Tahoe. So glad everyone is ok! Sure gives me some anxiety about towing our 27' with our Tahoe. We are researching and narrowing down tow vehicles now, but it's not a quick or inexpensive decision. We are trying to take our time and find the new TV that will best meet our needs. Till then, the Tahoe it is.......a little uncomfortably after seeing these kinds of incidents. At least everyone is OK!!!!
Without getting into the tow vehicle/hitch discussion:

The problem with some people is that they tow a trailer like they would drive to work. I admit I go rather fast when I'm commuting to work (but I'm still getting passed, so...), but that's when I'm driving a car with a low center of gravity that's not towing anything, and on roads that I drive every day.

A different driving situation calls for a different style of driving, so I'm a lot slower and far less likely to pass people when I'm towing. Recently I've been enjoying being the slowest person on the road by setting the cruise at 60 or 65 mph and letting everyone pass me. It's low stress, no worries about getting over and getting back, and great fuel mileage to boot.

But we sometimes see people towing trailers as though they are driving a sports car in rush hour traffic. We have an example in this thread of what can happen:

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Hauling my '79 Argy home from Tucson on Saturday we were about 10 minutes behind a fifth wheel roll-over. Not only the fifth wheel rolled, but the TV rolled too. I believe it was a Ram 2500 or 3500.

A few miles back, the guy had passed me going at least 80. It caught up with him as he was going down a 5% grade in the wind.
The best you can do is slow down, be careful. A Ram 2500/3500 is a pretty hefty tow vehicle and should handle a 5-er just fine, as long as the person behind the wheel isn't doing anything dumb. Of course, being smart doesn't protect you from all accidents, but it drastically reduces the likelihood of causing one and increases your chances of avoiding one, and that's a huge step in the right direction.

In the accident at the top of this thread, I'm guessing we have a driver who is inexperienced at towing (if it is indeed a rental), and is used to doing 70-80 mph on the interstates in their car...
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If it is a weekend rental I'd speculate lack of towing experience or driving style, but who knows!

Hope all are ok....
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:11 AM   #21
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Skater, I'm with you!
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I get to enjoy the sights, and enjoy the kids enjoying the sights
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:14 AM   #22
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Adding to that thought, we all know Airstreams tow like a dream so it may be tempting to tow at 80mph right up until something goes wrong. Then physics take over and the simple fact is that you've got thousands of pounds right behind you that wants to keep going in the same direction and at the same speed.
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:15 AM   #23
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Hi, just a note for those who don't know, but this rental company supplies the trailer, hitch, and tow vehicle as a complete package.
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My speculation. Dropped AS wheels off side of road. Looks like softer dirt. Over corrected after feeling trailer pull to right. Boom. Can happen easily to any of us regardless of speed.
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:26 AM   #25
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Hi, just a note for those who don't know, but this rental company supplies the trailer, hitch, and tow vehicle as a complete package.
With all of that supplied it would seem that this likely points more toward operator error. Who knows? Maybe a deer jumped out in front of them and they had to swerve?.........Texting? any number of reasons.

At least this company supplies decent equipment from the beginning. Last month one of my friends rented a SOB from a RV dealership for a week long trip for his family. He had to request a WD hitch for the setup and they charged him an extra $75 for it. They said his F250 was enough truck for the rented trailer. BTW - the rented trailer was 30' long with two slide outs - dry weight 8,000 lbs! The knuckle draggers at some dealerships are incredible.
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Old 08-12-2015, 07:37 AM   #27
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I am at odds with the rental of towable RVs, it takes a while to really learn how to drive and be safe. Not something you can go out and rent and immediately grasp. Even more so, it takes experience and wisdom to know what speed and what placement on the road is most safe, which is less than 80mph in the left lane that most rigs can do with little effort and therefore seem safe.

My rig is set up well, but I had a bad blowout on the interstate once. Had I been along side another vehicle it would have been a major wreck. So you can drive fast, or live in the left lane for a long time, but you are not safe.

Get to the right and slow down. Travel far enough back from the vehicle in front of you to be able to stop and know what is ahead of them. Always know what is behind you. I bet most of these accidents would not have occurred if these simple rules were followed despite the hitch or tow vehicle.
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This is a dangerous stretch of road for any vehicle, with many accidents each year. A reminder to all to slow down and enjoy the journey.
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