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Old 01-24-2006, 06:41 PM   #15
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Silvertwink hits the mark!

Eric says a lot of good things about the 6.0L Powerstroke. If you have any questions spend a couple hours browsing DieselStop forums. Click on the 6.0L Powerstroke Engine & Drivetrain section; only after that will you find the search entry area at the bottom of the webpage. In the search area enter only 6.4 or 6.4L to see what the future will bring in just 12-18 months. Issues with the 6.0 are quieting down but linger; with the coming 6.4 there will be a certain orphan factor to the 6.0L -- but owners of 2005s & 2006s should fare better if they ride out a full service life.

Looking in either the 6.0L or gasser sections I am surprised at the number of complaints about the TorqShift 5-Spd Auto tranny w Overdrive -- searching for gears, etc. What's up here?! I was hoping to not have to tow with less than overdrive! Also search on 4.10 and 4.30 to see what people are saying about rear end ratios for towing.

Yes, I'm researching a TV -- and inclining toward the V-10 Triton. I just can't see avoiding the short in-town hops that seem so necessary (BTW -- it sez don't everidle the 6.0L Powerstrokes for long times like you do with traditional diesels). I'd enjoy the manual tranny but my dearest traveling partner has two right feet only... Hmm... (Here's where the Magliozzi brothers pick up the excitement -- an opportunity to do marital counseling!)
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:48 PM   #16
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So.......

If I understand correctly, it is reasonable to expect around 20 mpg on the highway under normal conditions and around 14 mpg towing. Does that sound right?


By the way, thanks for all your replies, they have been quite helpful
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:54 PM   #17
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hi guys.......

yea come on, who else is gonna be looking at a thread on trucks?

disarry the figures here look right.....

10-13 towing; 16-20 not, at highway speeds.

i have an 05 psd and have logged 20k miles since march with zero problems.

while the early 6.0s were buggy, 05/06 should be fine.

advantages for the newer model.....quieter, better brakes, better front suspension, smaller turning radius, tow command/brake controller, better tranny and so on....negs.......none for 05/06 except price and the cp sensor.

advantages for the 7.3......proven reliability, lots of shops (international, ford, indies) work on em. negs.... tie rods, balljoints, cp sensor, poor brakes, more smog and no one knows how well they will do on ultra low sulfur fuels coming soon, louder.

really depends on money factor......older will be less, so what can you afford. when my warrarnty is near end, i'll likely opt for aftermarket for the ford, since i plan to keep it 6-8 years. also i''m gonna tow 15-20k miles per year so don't want to rebuild tranny or motor on a 7.3.

6.3 liter? sure there is always something new comin'.....my next t.v. will be a diesel/electric hybird....

i'm trying to keep gm out of hock,
so i avoid buying any of their products.......

m' mate........i got the recall note also and am having the reprograming done tomorrow, along with the coolant level relabeled. i may have an exhaust leak too so they are checkin' that.

the guy who answers ?s on the yahoo psd group is amazing......and his web site has great info on the psd, along with the tsb/recalls way before we get 'em and with a better explanations of issues that all of those whiner ford forums.......

http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/60psd.htm

that's the place to read about a ford psd disarray, if you are considering one....he's got great info on each engine and not a lota bull........

m' mate, since cold diesel driving should be gentle anyway, i'm not worried about the issue you mentioned. mpg should actually improve with the reflash. if you want to know how it works out after it's done tomorrow......drop me a note...

i may opt for a banks full till system in another year for the psd......

this is my first american made motor vehicle in 35 years and i very much like it......you will too.

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Old 01-24-2006, 08:04 PM   #18
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Ditto that 2air!

Actually at 65, I got 13.6 towing and 21 not towing. I've got just over 13K now and the mileage has improved with more miles.

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Actually at 65, I got 13.6 towing and 21 not towing. I've got just over 13K now and the mileage has improved with more miles.

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well cosmo' as i recall, don't you have

the more aerodynamic 2wd model.....?

and the red? ones get better mileage!

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Old 01-24-2006, 08:18 PM   #20
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disarry the figures here look right.....10-13 towing; 16-20 not, at highway speeds.
This reads ambigiously to me. Do you mean not to expect 16-20 on the highway (not towing)? Can you clear this up for me.
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Old 01-24-2006, 08:43 PM   #21
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yes sir i meant not towing and at highway speeds for the 16-20.

in city mileage is so variable as to not be worth quoting and has everything to do with the right foot. it is easy to burn rubber if so inclined.....i usually creep along in town and the high position means seeing lights way ahead to coast to a stop. besides i've got little cars for sprinting.....

like cosmo, if i can keep the beast at 65 while towing my mileage is closer to 13, but the truth is it's hard to keep down to that speed.....so towing mpg is usually 11, but i'm also pulling a tri axle

same issues not towing....these trucks really want to go 80. the mileage suffers when "pushing air" and especially over 70. if i can keep it at 70 i'll get 19-20 but at 80 16-18...

i tend to drive the ford and tow with it by the revs anyway.

with the 3.73 rear end i like to keep right at 2000rpm....which for the 6.0 is the sweet spot for torque. depending on tire/wheel size this works out near 70 for me. the truck really likes this rpm....and i think mpg is highest at this torque too......

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yes sir i meant not towing and at highway speeds for the 16-20.
............................................like cosmo, if i can keep the beast at 65 while towing my mileage is closer to 13, but the truth is it's hard to keep down to that speed.....so towing mpg is usually 11, but i'm also pulling a tri axle

same issues not towing....these trucks really want to go 80. the mileage suffers when "pushing air" and especially over 70. if i can keep it at 70 i'll get 19-20 but at 80 16-18...

Thanks for the clarification! This is pretty good news for me actually. With my driving habbits (like I said, I don't get in a hurry) moving to a PS would actually improve the milage I get in my wee F150. I'm hoping to find one 8-10 years old for not to much (say $8Kish). This sound nuts to anyone?
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Old 01-24-2006, 09:08 PM   #23
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Wink What no Cummins fans?

OK lots of talk about powerstroke and its pros and problems . I have a 04.5 Dodge 1 ton Laramie with 600ft lb Cummins diesel. I get 20-21 mpg hwy @60-65mph about 16.5 city and towing my Bambi (4000 lbs) I average about 14.5mpg @65 mph) 3.73 rear end and only 15,000 miles on the odom. Now this is not flatlander towing this is cascades, coast range towing.

I like the cummins it has a good track record, as for the Dodge tranny I think they got that worked out with the 04 models .

Dodge may not have as many bells and whistles as Chevy and Ford but it is more affortable. I looked all three brands and the biggest sell was the track record of Cummins. The Duramax was farley new and unknown and I had hear about some powerstroke problems and felt the big inline 6 of the Cummins made the most sense.

I have heard that the best rig would be a Ford truck with a Cummins motor. To bad that's not available.
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I got 21 MPG towing my Airstream down to Tampa, a few weeks ago. Usually I get around 30 MPG driving mixed freeway/country/city. Mine has a few "modifications" that allow it to get this kind of mileage.
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I got 21 MPG towing my Airstream down to Tampa, a few weeks ago. Usually I get around 30 MPG driving mixed freeway/country/city. Mine has a few "modifications" that allow it to get this kind of mileage.

No foolin, thats pretty high milage, and what pray tell are these "modifications"?
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Couple of questions from a diesel newbie:

1) Canoestream, you said "they" said not to ever idle the 6.0L, am I correct. Having driven a gas engine all my life, I instinctively turn the truck off when I stop or get out. I have seen a number of 7.3L era Fords and other diesel trucks leave their engines running during fueling (didn't seem like the safe thing to do to me, but I'm new to diesels) and I have seen them locked up with the engine running. Perhaps the family pet was in there asleep. I know the big rigs leave their engines running because...well, I don't know why I just know they do. I always heard it put less wear on them than re-starting the engine. I guess I should continue my practice of turning off the engine anytime I would turn off a gas engine, i.e. stopping for more than a few minutes in the parking lot while my wife runs into pick up a few things at the grocery store, etc.

2) 2airishuman, I know my 05 PSD 6.0L has a 5 speed auto transmission including the overdrive, but the transmission actually has 6 gears and is only supposed to use 5 of them, depending on how it is set up from the factory. I am not sure what the different set up is for but I think it is the difference between power options. I have counted the shifts and I swear from a dead stop it shifts 5 times which would go through 6 gears. I have even watched the tach and counted 5 fluctuations in the needle. Am I mistaking something with the power curve or something or is my truck actually using all 6 gears?

BTW, I have always been of the mindset that the engineers at the factory that designed the system on my vehicles designed them for the type of use they were intended and since my intended use doesn't exceed the manufacturer's specs I really hadn't planned to do any modifications to the set up from the factory unless it didn't perform well. I guess what I'm saying is that despite Trailer Life's pseudo endorsement of programmers, I really hadn't thought it would be necessary to get one. I appreciate the advise that confirms that they aren't needed. I bought my '95 F-150 new and put 182K miles on it before replacing it with my '05 F-250 and expect to keep the F-250 at least as long as the previous truck so I don't want to do anything that might jeopardize its longevity.
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with a diesel you are not dealing with volatile fuel, there are two reasons for leaving your diesel idle. one is laziness, and the other is that you dont want to risk "cooking" your turbo.....the big trucks have pyrometers to tell them what the turbo temp is. running the engine for 3 min will usually cool it down. aftermarket guages are the way to go.
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Mine has a few "modifications" that allow it to get this kind of mileage.
Pick, you remind me of Dr. Emmit Brown in Back to the Future.

Some modifications, ha! You hooked LP gas to yours if I recall correctly.

I'm just waiting for the next mod like Dr. Brown's DeLorean where he has the Cuisinart that takes regular household waste and does the fusion bit, which is not meant as a slam in any way, I think it's cool all the mods you've posted here. You go where many have not gone before.
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