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Old 02-21-2014, 10:13 AM   #29
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Interesting explanation. You realize that CanAm makes money by beefing up underrated tow vehicles.
The "beefing up" part of the business is tiny in comparison to their trailer sales. I was surprised how little they charge.

If you feel better towing with a truck, then CanAm will set it up as best they can.

If you ask them if there are any alternatives, they will offer their opinion.
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But I believe GCWR is for commercial vehicles. But I doubt many, if any, commercial businesses are towing with a car.....I wonder why not?????
As I said, a 7000lbs Airstream will tow very differently from a 7000lbs (or even 2000lbs) box cargo trailer. Apples and oranges.
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As it is close to impossible for manufacturers to create ratings that take all variables into account - a 7000lbs Airstream with a ProPride tows very differently from a 7000lbs cargo trailer on the ball - I can't foresee a future where this will happen.
Actually, most auto manufacturers already provide two ratings, one without WDH, and one with WDH. Ratings for when WDH is used is usually higher. So, they do consider the effect of WDH in their ratings.
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As I said, a 7000lbs Airstream will tow very differently from a 7000lbs (or even 2000lbs) box cargo trailer. Apples and oranges.
You missed my point, Andy, but I'll let it lay.
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Old 02-22-2014, 10:10 AM   #33
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Also, published tow ratings are not legal documents. Unless there is a law that states that one must not exceed the manufacturer's tow rating it is a recommendation, nothing else. My car's instructions tell me not to exceed 50mph when towing, advice I routinely ignore.
Here is a link to Alberta DMV's towing guidelines (Interestingly, the first link that showed up in my Google search was from Alberta, Canada):

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ehtowguide.pdf

On page 7 you will see (among other things):

-You should not exceed manufacturer’s GVWR
-You should not exceed manufacturer’s GAWR
-Adding components such as air bags or overload springs does not allow these
rating to be increased or exceeded
-You should not exceed the GCWR. Check your owner’s manual for the GCWR
(towing capabilities). If you tow a load that is too heavy for your vehicle, you
create a potential safety risk for yourself and others on the road. You may also
void warranties.

Clearly, manufacturer ratings are NOT just recommendations.
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Very good, but will fall on deaf ears. Jim
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that isn't a legal document, either; its a "guide". There are no specific laws or regulations cited, and nowhere in it does it say that you are breaking the law by not following these "guidelines".
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Here is a link to Alberta DMV's towing guidelines (Interestingly, the first link that showed up in my Google search was from Alberta, Canada):

http://www.transportation.alberta.ca...ehtowguide.pdf

On page 7 you will see (among other things):

-You should not exceed manufacturer’s GVWR
-You should not exceed manufacturer’s GAWR
-Adding components such as air bags or overload springs does not allow these
rating to be increased or exceeded
-You should not exceed the GCWR. Check your owner’s manual for the GCWR
(towing capabilities). If you tow a load that is too heavy for your vehicle, you
create a potential safety risk for yourself and others on the road. You may also
void warranties.

Clearly, manufacturer ratings are NOT just recommendations.
A lot of "should not" in this one example from one Province in one foreign country to call this a clear point.
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I believe that here in the US, anyone who has a problem while towing anything that exceeds the limits established by the manufacturer of any vehicle opens themselves to the dangers of a very litigious society.

Here is a link.

http://www.equipmentworld.com/know-y...ainst-the-law/

Remember too that if you are determined to be negligent your insurance may not have to pay for damages leaving you holding the bag....

I am not suggesting that your "under rated" or "expertly set up" vehicle is in fact better or worse at towing than mine but if something goes wrong......

It happens all the time...

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A lot of "should not" in this one example from one Province in one foreign country to call this a clear point.
Interesting that you consider recommendations from one RV shop in one foreign country as relevant, yet the towing guidelines from one province in the same foreign country as irrelevant.
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The manufacturer's published tow ratings have, more often than not, nothing to do with the GVWR or GAWR. The tow rating of a Honda Odyssey is 3500lbs. I can tow a trailer more than twice that weight without going over the GVWR or the GAWR.

The same cannot be said for many 1/2 ton trucks.

Two completely different numbers.
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The manufacturer's published tow ratings have, more often than not, nothing to do with the GVWR or GAWR. The tow rating of a Honda Odyssey is 3500lbs. I can tow a trailer more than twice that weight without going over the GVWR or the GAWR.

The same cannot be said for many 1/2 ton trucks.

Two completely different numbers.
You would definitely be exceeding the GCWVR. That's against the Law/"guidelines" in many states in Canada/US.
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Interesting that you consider recommendations from one RV shop in one foreign country as relevant, yet the towing guidelines from one province in the same foreign country as irrelevant.
The difference is Can-Am Airstream is a recognized expert in setting up Airstream towing combinations. A bureaucrat in Alberta government, and you and I, are not.
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The difference is Can-Am Airstream is a recognized expert in setting up Airstream towing combinations. A bureaucrat in Alberta government, and you and I, are not.
I hope for your sake you never have an issue/accident towing (that goes for everyone by the way....) but if you do and anyone wants to sue, you will loose with that arguement.
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