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Old 04-03-2003, 03:47 PM   #15
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I drive the GMC 2500HD 8.1 Vortec 4X4....

and like the ride and the pull of our 31' Sovereign. My biggest complaint is the one Tim is trying to get away from - the expense of gasoline. It is a gas hog. On the other hand, if Tim can afford an Excursion, he can certainly afford fuel for his new pickup!
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Old 04-03-2003, 03:59 PM   #16
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Tim just wants a new truck... it'll certainly never pay for itself with a few mpg better than the Excursion.
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Old 04-03-2003, 04:07 PM   #17
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Maurice, you are right......

and there is not a one of us that blames him. Boys and their toys........
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Old 04-03-2003, 04:13 PM   #18
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Darn right I want a new truck

The Excursion was somewhat of an impulse buy, and over time, I kept thinking "man this things a beast". Thank heavens it has a 44 gallon tank. It rides like a tank. Roomy as can be but most of the time it's just me in there and all that room is such a waste.

The times we have pulled our Airstream the Excursion towed beautifully.

About 2 weeks ago I filled the Excursion, stood there forever cause it was bone dry. $68 later the pump clicked off. Whew, that's some dough!

Anyhow, good point you've made RoadKingMoe, I really do want a new truck.

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Old 04-03-2003, 07:58 PM   #19
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Today's Prices...

You just can't win. The diesel gets better mileage, but the engine and the fuel cost more. Looks like "they" are trying to level the cost of energy. No matter what fuel you use, it's going to cost the same in the end. I wonder what kind of "savings" those folks that buy "Hybrid" vehicles are going to see, after they have to buy a set of replacement batterys!
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:26 PM   #20
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Lookin' at the specs, it appears the 2500HD only weighs about 75 lbs more than the 1500HD at curb weight, and yet has about 525 lbs more payload due to the 600 lb increase in GVWR.

Has anyone really looked at what the differences are? Frame? Axles? Springs? Brakes? Tires? Front and rear GAWR?

In the Ford world, the F250 with LT265 tire option, and SRW F350 are part for part identical, except they jack the back end of the 350 up with 3.5" blocks (vs 2" on the F250 and DRW F350) to make the 350 look less loaded down on the same springs... and they specify a lower rear tire pressure the F250 with the same tires to make it ride less harshly than the 350.

Could that be the case here?
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:19 PM   #21
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Typically GM has always had a different frame between 1/2, 3/4, and 1 The major difference being the frame was was progressively taller. The spring rates also increase. GM usualy doesn't use blocks on the rear axle like Ford does. They have different spring hangers as well. The 3/4 and 1/2 the rear springs are spaced the same but when they go to 1 ton on the single rear wheel the springs are moved out for better roll control. That holds true through 87 I am positive and I believe it holds through to today.
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Old 04-05-2003, 01:35 AM   #22
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Until GM finds a cure for "PISTON SLAP" on 80% of all gas engines produced after 98 : No more GM for me
If you need to be convinced, read the Chevytalk Forums and many others....or ask GM's service department...they think it's ok to live with it

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Cool no slappin here

i guess i must be in the 20%!

no slap on mine 3 years running.

although i don't doubt there are some bad engines out there, i think alot of people have confused piston slap with dry lifters on start up.

i tried fram oil filters when i couldn't locate a delco filter.

guess what? tic tic tic on cold start up!

went back to delco oil filters and no more noise!

no drainback valve? go figure!

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Old 04-05-2003, 09:24 AM   #24
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Hart,

My dad has a a '00 2500 w/ the 5.3L (I think that's the L size). Anyway, there is zero slap. Simialr engines are also in the Camaro and Firebirds. I know also a friend that has an '02 Camaro and there is no slap either, just tire melting sounds!

The tick, tick, tick, John talks of is typical of any GM with an oil filter of poor quality. On my both my '96s I only use the premium PF-52s with Mobil 1 5w30 in winter and 10w30 in the warmer months (and for towing in those months). I just got the box and the model is UPF-52 part number 25322836. They cost about $6 each, but they are *one* of the best filters you can get for your vehicle. They are phasing out the UPF from what I hear and I have started to stock up! There are obviously different filters, so if anyone is interested, check your local GM dealer or PM me and I can get you my contact at a dealership in Chicago. He gets me pretty much the best prices around and knows his stuff.

BTW, stay far away from Fram. A bunch of car forum people have had bad exp, besides the dreaded tick, tick, tick. I didn't believe them too much until I placed one on my girlfriends V-6 Accord. The seal blew out and oil was all down the passenger side. Others have had even worse luck than that. The check valve design is very poor and what causes the tick, tick, tick.

Here is a link to look at about oil filters...use as a reference at face value:

http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilterstudy.html#delco

Here is a Delco propaganda URL- just in case you were interested:

http://www.acdelco.com/html/pi_filt_oil_gold_flow.htm

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Re: no slappin here

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i guess i must be in the 20%!

no slap on mine 3 years running.

although i don't doubt there are some bad engines out there, i think alot of people have confused piston slap with dry lifters on start up.

i tried fram oil filters when i couldn't locate a delco filter.

guess what? tic tic tic on cold start up!

went back to delco oil filters and no more noise!

no drainback valve? go figure!

john
Yep I found the same thing. Fram is JUNK! Been using AC's or Bosch. Had good luck with both.
Now autozone is not going to carry either of those brands anymore Bought what they had left in both brands a week ago. Looks like Fram got ahold of some of the big shots. So oly thing they have is Fram and some off brand.

As for piston slap...I agree that maybe the Jiffy lube crowd are mistaking drain back problems.
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Other decent oil filters.....

I like using Amsoil filters, which are made by Hastings. Excellent filters. I have even sawed them apart. In a pinch I buy Mobile 1 filters or go to the dealer and get the Delcos.
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I have been thinking about going Amsoil synthetic in the crankcase and the trans. Right now I have Mobil 1 in both. Pick do you use Amsoil oil too? Can you comment on you observations if you do?

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Thumbs up I like Amsoil

I have gone up to 10,000 on one oil change, changing the filter at 5000 and adding a quart. I have noticed that Mobile 1 seems to get dirtier faster, for some reason. Not sure if it is the filter or the oil. Some folks have done oil analysis, and found the additives peter out on Mobile 1 at around 4500 miles. Would like to do the complete tranny flush at 30K. May do the regular trans fluid change now, (27K) and change filter and check to see how clean pan is.
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