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Old 08-27-2007, 02:29 PM   #15
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Rodney still check it out even for a mere 6k. Thats in the ballpark if nothing else is ready for repair or replacement. ALANSD mentioned brake issues and the pricey cost to replace them. This is normal for Ford as my truck has been the exception. You can blame the slow take off due to the poor design of the turbo down pipe on these models. Is this truck your looking at four wheel drive and a longbed or shortbed. Both make a difference in driveablity.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:33 PM   #16
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Is this truck your looking at four wheel drive and a longbed or shortbed. Both make a difference in driveablity.
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I believe it is a 2wd ( I didnt really look as that didnt seem important to me at the moment) with a long bed.

I guess I should point out that the way this truck came to my attention is a guy at the trailer lot owns it. I asked him what year it was and said something to the effect of 'thats about what I need...' and you can guess the rest. Im hoping to get a full list of things to look for together in the next day or so.
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Old 08-27-2007, 02:56 PM   #17
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1. Are all PSDs turbos?

2. diesels needing to be cooled down before being turned off-

3. It needs a reciever hitch, is that a hire out job or should I do that myself?

4. South west Oklahoma are folks: where are the good junk yards where a guy can get used seats?....
1. all of the navistar psds have turbos (94? on..)

2. no, turbos need to be run for 1-3 minutes to allow oil circulation and cooling of the bearings.

this applies to gas or diesel powered engines. without a good temp gauge 2 minutes is plenty in most situations.

other quirks? starting is a 2 step process. switch on, wait for the glow plug light to switch off, then start.

fuel gelling can be an issue in the winter so always use #2 d. i also use an additive.

these babies have BIG reservoirs of anti freeze and oil so the engines really don't warm up on short trips, which are very very hard on 'em.

3. adding a receiver is literally a 'bolt it on' process. ucandoit!

4. best place for an okie to buy a used seat?

ebay bro! LOTS of seats available. even if not buying on the e, you can look at what is available used for superduties.

the single BEST site i've found for psd info is here...

dieselmann's Page

very clear info on service, parts, known issues, recalls, tsbs and so on.

7.3 info is very well developed and documented on his site.

this fellow (a psd master mechanic) also runs a yahoo group and ANY psd question asked gets a clear, specific and amazingly correct answer...

every time.

PowerStroke : '99+6.0/6.4/7.3 Diesel S-Duty,Van &Excsn

i spent a few weeks reading the intellidog info and yahoo group posts prior to my first diesel...

it was time well spent.

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Old 08-27-2007, 03:22 PM   #18
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Where will the gear ratio data be listed on the truck?
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the axle ratio is usually posted on the driver door pillar...

ratios IF it's a 4x4.

is this an f250 or f250HD?

with the diesel it is likely an HD?

96-97 were transition years before the term 'superduty' so not all 250s were 3/4 ton...

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with the vin number you can run a carfax (some sites are free) with should produce lots of good info.
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Old 08-27-2007, 03:49 PM   #20
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I am looking at a 97 PSD, manual 5 speed transmission, extended cab to replace my current mule. I have never had a diesel so I need some backstopping before I drop my change into it.

It has about 180,000 on it and needs a windshield and seat. Looks OK otherwise. Any advice as to what I should be looking for in terms of problems? What should a mechanical check include?
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Like others have said, go slowly on used diesels,
They are very, very expensive to repair.

Turbos are $800 up + install.
Injector pumps $1,000 up + install.
Starters are very expensive.
They do have a lot of torque and pulling power but they are NOT cheap!

And there are not near enough people that can work on one, especially in small town America.

I traded my GM 6.5L TD of last year and wouldn't have another Diesel.
I'm Not trying to talk you out of anything, Just giving you more info.
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Ok here is the list as it coming together... part of it is what I need to find out.




1997 F250 Power stroke diesel.


I.Transmission:
a.Five speed manual
b.Gear ratio:
c.Two wheel drive
d.Listen for clunking when shutting off or small vibration while operating- indication of dual mass flywheel failure.
II.Motor:
a.Turbo: inspect air tube behind filter for dirt. Some oily film is normal.
b.Airbox: check bolts holding airbox lid- if plastic with square recess it is a recalled part.
c.Glow plugs: test- have they been replaced?
d.CPS failure- has it been replaced? More than once?
e.Injector o-rings: look for discolored fuel in filter bowl- should be dingy yellow NOT dark or blue
III.Body/exterior
a.Damage on passenger door
b.Windshield needs repaired
IV.Brakes-
a. What is the history of the brakes on the truck, problems?
V.Interior
a.Seat broken needs replaced
VI.Suspension
a.Ball joints
b.Steering linkage (tie rod ends)
VII.Service records?
a.Oil change history
b.Oil used
VIII. or ton (ala 2air)
IX.Aftermarket add-ons
a.Chips gauges ect.
b.Aftermarket down pipe?



I called the Ford dealership and asked what they would charge to give it a pre-purchase inspection and they quoted a price of around $40. Does that seem right? I thought it might be on the low end, I want the check out to be pretty thorough.
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Old 08-27-2007, 04:42 PM   #22
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I called the Ford dealership and asked what they would charge to give it a pre-purchase inspection and they quoted a price of around $40. Does that seem right? I thought it might be on the low end, I want the check out to be pretty thorough.
Rodney,

You are right that does sound low, have them give you a list of what is covered in the pre purchase inspection, and you will know how through it is.

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...I called the Ford dealership and asked what they would charge to give it a pre-purchase inspection and they quoted a price of around $40. Does that seem right? I thought it might be on the low end, I want the check out to be pretty thorough.
the list looks good

add 'when was the coolant changed' as well as differentials and tranny fluids and belts.

40$ is low but they are just gonna look?

i don't think they can even inspect all of the lubricants and fluids for that price.

YES make it more thorough....

consider finding out the price 4 running the diagnostics, and a compression test.

i'm sure there are other things they should check too...

have you pm'd artstream? he's done a boat load of things on this at >250K miles...

doesn't wahoonc have several old ford diesels too?

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Old 08-29-2007, 02:02 PM   #24
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I would check that Dieselman site and also the Powerstroke Forums for other things to be aware of. On the plus side, I have met others who love their 97 7.3 and would not own anything else.
The cost of diesel ownership in my opinion may not justify the higher intitial purchase price compared to a gasser.
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Update

Pending a check up as described below I have pretty much committed to this truck. If there are no additional issues, $6,000 for a PSD is to hard for me to pass on. I would prefer a new(er) one but heavens sakes, budgets are a reality for me. Besides, I drive a '91 now so a '97 is a step in the right direction.

Looking at my plans for the next year, Im guessing I will tow in the neighborhood of 10K miles, much of which will be in the rockies. The F 150, as much as I love it, is not the TV for this.
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Rodney,

I think at 6k you are buying it right, provided that some big thing doesn't catch you. So that's the kind of checkout I'd want from a qualified mechanic. I would also check the specs - trace the vin to be sure it was not some oddball rig you'd be miserable with. Drive it - hard - during your test drive and listen and feel. If nothing big is wrong, I think you have the potential for a beautiful relationship.

A diesel as a tow rig is wonderful, imho.

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Rodney, I have a 97 psd, it has 313,000 k on it that is a little over 180,000 miles. I have only had it a couple years, I bought a 5th wheel trailer and needed something to tow it with and didn't have a lot of time or selection at the time. I like the truck, would like something a little newer, last winter I had to replace the torque converter that was $1200.00 then we were coming back north in April and the vacuum pump went out that was $300.00 then got about a half mile from the house and the rear axel went out. It was a 4.10 I bought a used one for $250.00 and a friend helped me put it in. It is a 3.55 ratio and I like it a lot better and it pulls the Argosy just fine. The 5th wheel weight 12000 lbs. and I wold want a 4.10 if I still had it but we were planning on selling it this spring. And you will get better mileage with a higher geared rear end. Still I wouldn't have anything but a diesel.

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Marvin was one I thought of when F250 7.3s come to mind. He loves his.
At your price you are getting a deal, so enjoy it!!
Mine was 7500 last year, a deal then and I was able to get out what I paid less the brake repair, 6 months later.
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