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Old 07-24-2014, 05:53 PM   #43
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so how about front hitch where you can put a winch for that time you need 4x4 and don't have it. I don't plan to get into situations like that but you can never tell sometimes.

again we plan on doing some/lot of national parks and understand they can be a bit tight on space like Yellowstone which was built in the 20's? 30's? when cars were large but trailers were smaller.

have a bunch (4-6 yrs) of time till we go full time so i can buy what i need with cash so no bill in the future.

that is one reason for buying the truck now and a 2002 model.. the one i am going to see/buy? is the crew cab with full bed and 2 wheel drive with 145K miles in good condition for less than 12K plus it wont get a bunch of miles for the next 2 yrs.

i see a bunch of 6.5 bed with crewcab and many with 8 ft bed. just this afternoon a 5er being pulled by crew 8 ft bed unit flew by on the interstate heading west out of RDU.
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I think the biggest plus of the extra length allows for less sway of the tow vehicle and prevents loss of control and then the really bad things......
I think foiledagain could argue that point, since she had a long bed 4 door truck, and it still rolled over with her Airstream.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:08 PM   #45
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According to this, for the 2015 model, it's 15" longer. So, it's longer, but not "another couple feet." Unless crew cab + 8' bed meant something very different back in 2002.
No, that was just a SWAG. Still, longer usually does equal wider turning radius.
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I think foiledagain could argue that point, since she had a long bed 4 door truck, and it still rolled over with her Airstream.
I never said it would stop sway or the prevention of an accident, I said, "it allows for less sway" and I'll stand behind that statement all day long.

Simple physics tells us that if the rear of trailer is hit by a gust of wind(natural or the buffeting off a semi or bus) it will try to rotate the trailer on the axles in the center of the trailer which will try to translate through the hitch and into your tow vehicle. The longer the wheel base the more energy from the wind is required to throw the TV out of control.

Too much rigidity will also translate into the TV and cause any action of the trailer, tipping, to potentially be carried into the TV and a rollover condition could result.

End result, minimizing the potential for a swaying condition without going to rigid is paramount, but never a guarantee. If that means a longer wheel base, and anti-sway bar(s), that is what I'll use!
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so how about front hitch where you can put a winch for that time you need 4x4 and don't have it. I don't plan to get into situations like that but you can never tell sometimes.
If you are planning on a winch mounted on a reciever mount, they have clear potential. They are getting lighter all the time, and you can use it in the front and the back which is clearly a plus, but the winch and the carrier to mount it on will take up some space wherever you choose to store it.

There are winch carriers that double up and allow you to attach a trailer in line since they have a reciever under the roller fairlead, but I wouldn't leave it there and tow in the rear of the vehicle for any length of time.

You could leave the winch carrier in a forward reciever all the time, but I would worry about theft, even with a locking pin for the reciever.

I would suggest that if you want a winch, just mount it completely, I like mine in the front much more than the problem of getting it out of a box in the bed, carrying it around, lifting it into position and then connecting electrical.

The only reason I wanted the forward reciever was for flatbed trailer work.

I didn't mention it in my last response about the forward reciever possibilities, but when my TV is attached at the front to any of my non flat bed trailers, you pretty much cannot see anything. You cannot see down the street side of the trailer at all, and you can only see down the curb side when your head is out the window, so mirrors work better if you do not have a spotter with a loud voice.
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that is true about not seeing the street side of the unit with a front mount Tow bar.. maybe a wireless camera mounted on side of trailer somehow to show you something and a good helper with walkie talkie..

my wife is good with backing trailers and such.. we used to have a boat, she would stay in boat idling around and when i backed trailer she ran boat up, i hooked to wench and tighten a bit and off we went.. not like some where the wife is clueless on loading the trailer and block up ramp for ever.

she rocks..
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my wife is good with backing trailers and such...

she rocks..
Lucky you, mine learned by watching her mother stands around with her hands on her hips until you almost hit something that you saw 30 seconds before and have already compensated for.

But I work with several women who were aircraft crew chiefs and can marshal you in with no problems. All about proper training and experience, male our female.
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So I think perception might be a part of it here folks. In hindsight, I have considered those larger trucks to be just too freaking big to maneuver. Even my short bed felt huge when we first got it. After owning it for about a month, it suddenly doesn't feel as big as it did. And I'm wondering how much of the it's so big was really just my brain playing tricks. I mean it's bigger than my SUV and car. But it seemed much bigger at first. Might hold true for others.
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It's only too big when you can't make the turns you want, park where you want, or every time you use it it's only half full.
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Old 07-26-2014, 04:39 PM   #54
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:37 PM   #55
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So I think perception might be a part of it here folks. In hindsight, I have considered those larger trucks to be just too freaking big to maneuver. Even my short bed felt huge when we first got it. After owning it for about a month, it suddenly doesn't feel as big as it did. And I'm wondering how much of the it's so big was really just my brain playing tricks. I mean it's bigger than my SUV and car. But it seemed much bigger at first. Might hold true for others.
In my area the soccer moms drive suburbans and they are not small cars. They seem to have NO problem wedging that thing in the mall parking lots as you see them side by side for seveal spaces up by the door not in the outer reaches of the parking lot..


Yes you are correct, a braim is a terble thang to wase..
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:45 PM   #56
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from backing up while driving a tractor trailer,(long haul and city delivery 8 yrs) to backing up while pulling a boat for the past 30yrs and backing up pulling a utility i use in my business I can assure you going backwards with mirrors is not that big a deal.

I understand you only see the front of the trailer. I was actually thinking about places where the long wheel base and tight camping spots could make it hard to "just back in normal". Plus i have a co pilot and can get a wireless camera to use on back of trailer to see going backwards.

With a front hitch you get more maneuverability in tight spots.

I was asking if having a front hitch is worth the money, $213.00 at etrailer.com or not.

Carl,
From your long experience in driving big rigs, I'm sure you've hear the terms when backing up with a trailer.

"Steer the truck towards trouble, the trailer will go where you want it to go"

Pretty simple, and it works!

For whatever it's worth.

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