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Old 06-08-2015, 02:38 AM   #85
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Hi, Folks:
"Considering an F250, but when you have been a rover guy, it is a HARD decision. Bottom line, I have two kids that are more important for the love of the green oval. So a switch to the blue oval may be in order."
IMHO, it seems to me that you have already made the decision. If you were to have a serious roll-over accident with your rig, and you were towing with the LR3, you would never forgive yourself for not following your concerns to their conclusion. If you had a similar accident when towing with the F250, at least you would know that you had chosen a proven suitable tow truck.

Whether or not the LR3 is a suitable tow vehicle for your trailer, and whether or not any accident might be caused by an unsuitable tow truck are not the true issues.

The true issue is that for your peace of mind you need a different tow truck.
I am speaking as one who has two children, six granddaughters, two great granddaughters, who has owned a Land Rover Discovery for 25 years, and who only tows his Airstream Excella 25 with a Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins 5.9 diesel. I could roll down the highway with a cab full of kids, confident that I have a proven safe rig.

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Old 06-09-2015, 02:21 AM   #86
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... my truck is loaded with weight from off-road gear, but I am worried about stability, stress on the truck (already lifted with Johnson Roads, and 33" tires).
As we discussed, your mods will only decrease the stability, dramatically in my opinion from experience, especially the ride height being taller than factory by 2".

What I hadn't really added up in my head was that your particular LR3, which most people on this forum will not be very familiar with, is already well near the factory spec limits for rear axle weight.

When you consider, if being honest, that the LR3 in pure stock form at it's lowest weight, is already barely "qualified" for the tongue weight and overall GVW, it's probably really not a good idea. If you could make yourself drive at no faster than 45 mph, then sure, but out on our interstates pushing 70+ and the big hills from where you are located, to get anywhere else...well, it sounds like pushing the limits right to the edge and likely beyond.

Add on top of that the higher TW for the darn 25' EB and it's just plain not going to be a fun time, not relaxing anyway. The TW is over 800 lbs. Your LR3 has an extra 200 lbs on the rear bumper already.

The other thing people often don't think about is the distance from the rear axle to the hitch point. On the LR3 and LR4, and Range Rovers, it's a long way. The vehicle is designed with as short a wheelbase as possible for better maneuvering off road but the Discovery has grown a long way in size from the D1 and even D2 so the rear overhang is pretty long compared to something like a Mercedes G with practically no overhang, relative to the wheelbase.

If you were considering something with a TW of more like 500 lbs, then it would be better, but even then for long trips, you already have all the extra steel on the lr3 using up pretty much all of the cargo load rating, which is part of how the TW rating is calculated.

Lastly, go on the other forum, expo, and see what amazing things can be done with either a full size pick up or.... the bigger suv platforms like a suburban or maybe even a Toyota Sequoia.

Hey, want something sweet like the LR3 but more tow rating and every bit as viable for that gnarly 4x4 trail near the state park campgrounds for day trips away from the AS? Maybe dig up towing experiences info on the Land Cruiser which, until some US guidelines were revised to be more conservative, had an 8500 lb (now 8200 lb) tow and 10% TW. This is partially due to the super built rear end design using a solid axle and steel springs with a normal high rated receiver built right into the last frame member.

True 33" are simple in stock form but 35" are possible with the mods like your lr3 has. KDSS provides really, really good highway manners while opening up in slow-mo for trail flex. I really think you should give it a test drive as well as a diesel truck. The trucks these days though....wow, creature features and incredibly cool all around. I just prefer SUV total enclosed spaces.

Too bad Ford dropped the diesel excursion. That thing with the new tech would be insane with 35's, lockers, towing the AS and playing on all but the narrow 4x4 trails and 2 whole families could ride inside it

Hmmm, here's an idea...doo keep the lr3. Make your budget for the tow vehicle with this math:
Max amount willing to spend on new TV if selling off the lr3 - value of lr3 = budget for TV.
If willing to spend $50k on new truck but lr3 is honestly only worth about $20k at most, new to you TV budget is $30k! The last generation of Ford diesel excursion can be bought for $10k! A nice as heck big truck can easily be bought for under $30k.
Try to figure out a way to keep the lr3 for what it's clearly better suited and a TV that is just for the trips with the Airstream.
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Old 06-09-2015, 02:28 AM   #87
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... my truck is loaded with weight from off-road gear, but I am worried about stability, stress on the truck (already lifted with Johnson Rods, and 33" tires).
As we discussed, your mods will only decrease the lr3 stability, dramatically in my opinion from experience, especially the ride height being taller than factory by 2".
*(people on this forum are not usually familiar with the above "mods": rods=2" lift in the air springs, stock tires are a 30", his are a 31.5" E load range BFG at ko, the "weight" is rock sliders that alone weight close to 200 lbs, the ARB front bumper and winch easily anout 200 lbs, the rear bumper and tire carrier 200 lbs, crap on the roof, 100-200 easily, people inside ~400 + their luggage. LR3 cargo rating is only in the 1500 lb range. The rear axle weight rating is on the door but the items listed already pull about 500 lbs out of that number)

What I hadn't really added up in my head was that your particular LR3, which most people on this forum will not be very familiar with, is already well near the factory spec limits for rear axle weight.

When you consider, if being honest, that the LR3 in pure stock form at it's lowest weight, is already barely "qualified" for the tongue weight and overall GVW, it's probably really not a good idea. If you could make yourself drive at no faster than 45 mph, then sure, but out on our interstates pushing 70+ and the big hills from where you are located, to get anywhere else...well, it sounds like pushing the limits right to the edge and likely beyond.

Add on top of that the higher TW for the darn 25' EB and it's just plain not going to be a fun time, not relaxing anyway. The TW is over 800 lbs. Your LR3 has an extra 200 lbs on the rear bumper already.

The other thing people often don't think about is the distance from the rear axle to the hitch point. On the LR3 and LR4, and Range Rovers, it's a long way. The vehicle is designed with as short a wheelbase as possible for better maneuvering off road but the Discovery has grown a long way in size from the D1 and even D2 so the rear overhang is pretty long compared to something like a Mercedes G with practically no overhang, relative to the wheelbase.

If you were considering something with a TW of more like 500 lbs, then it would be better, but even then for long trips, you already have all the extra steel on the lr3 using up pretty much all of the cargo load rating, which is part of how the TW rating is calculated.

Lastly, go on the other forum, expo, and see what amazing things can be done with either a full size pick up or.... the bigger suv platforms like a suburban or maybe even a Toyota Sequoia.

Hey, want something sweet like the LR3 but more tow rating and every bit as viable for that gnarly 4x4 trail near the state park campgrounds for day trips away from the AS? Maybe dig up towing experiences info on the Land Cruiser which, until some US guidelines were revised to be more conservative, had an 8500 lb (now 8200 lb) tow and 10% TW. This is partially due to the super built rear end design using a solid axle and steel springs with a normal high rated receiver built right into the last frame member.

True 33" are simple in stock form but 35" are possible with the mods like your lr3 has. KDSS provides really, really good highway manners while opening up in slow-mo for trail flex. I really think you should give it a test drive as well as a diesel truck. The trucks these days though....wow, creature features and incredibly cool all around. I just prefer SUV total enclosed spaces.

Too bad Ford dropped the diesel excursion. That thing with the new tech would be insane with 35's, lockers, towing the AS and playing on all but the narrow 4x4 trails and 2 whole families could ride inside it

Hmmm, here's an idea...doo keep the lr3. Make your budget for the tow vehicle with this math:
Max amount willing to spend on new TV if selling off the lr3 - value of lr3 = budget for TV.

If a person is willing to spend $50k on new truck, while the lr3 is honestly only worth about $20k depending on current miles, a new to you TV budget is then $30k remaining !

The last generation of Ford diesel excursion can be bought for $10k! A nice as heck big truck can easily be bought for under $30k.

Try to figure out a way to keep the lr3 for what it's clearly better suited and a TV that is just for the trips with the Airstream.
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