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05-06-2015, 01:35 PM
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2 Rivet Member 
2010 22' Sport
Sarnia
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 38
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Jeep JK and an airstream 22' sport
25000 km, 21 states, 4 provinces and through the rocky mountain's. Averaged 15L/100km's without heavy winds. Jeep was prepared by CanAm RV in London Ontario, Jeep was equipped with a 3.6L, 6 speed manual and 3.73 gears. In all our travels from Ontario to Florida to California to BC and back home we had "0" problems towing. 
Great SUV and a great trailer.
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05-07-2015, 12:37 AM
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3 Rivet Member 
Seattle
, USA
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 199
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Nice looking rig!
You're lucky you have the 6spd manual...no overheating problems as compared to the automatics that need a transmission cooler to keep from frying the tranny without pulling anything.
What year is your Jeep? Have you had the left side head replaced yet?
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05-07-2015, 05:17 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 16' Sport
Lakeridge
, Virginia
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 100
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Wow 15.68 MPG towing a trailer that is more than twice the manufacture’s limit for both weight (2000 lb) and frontal area (25 sqft) is quiet impressive. What’s the secret? I barely get 18 MPG mostly highway with my 2 door 2013 Rubicon auto not towing and 11mpg when I towed a little 1600lb T@B on flat land.
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05-07-2015, 05:36 AM
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Patriotic
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,546
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How much does the Sport weigh?
I've been wondering if it would be ok to use my TJ as a tow dolly...just for moving my trailer around on my property.
TJ is a 4-banger/stick...and the camper is 4-5000lbs, but there is a steep grade for the last 100' of driveway.
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'73 Safari 23'
'00 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QC
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05-07-2015, 11:18 AM
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4 Rivet Member 
2010 20' Flying Cloud
Hailey
, Idaho
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 414
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Patriot....maybe deflate the camper a little.
Sorry...first thing that came to mind...
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05-07-2015, 11:18 AM
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Rivet Master 
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,423
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My buddy used to pull his '68 Tradewind AS with his 1940 Willy's Army Jeep. Not sure why he would have wanted to since he had a proper Chev TV set up at CanAm, but I know he pulled it several hundred miles on one trip. For just moving the AS around the yard I don't see why not! Low gear gives a lot of grunt and over-heating can't be a problem in a short haul
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05-07-2015, 12:37 PM
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Patriotic
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,546
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yeah, but if you do the math on this one, it doesn't have that much grunt. The 4-banger is not particularly powerful...it does have 4.11 gears, though. Seems to me I ran the numbers through Andy T's "thrust" formula, and came up with 2500lbs...in 4wheel-low.
I suppose that is probably enough, though.
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Wbcci: 3752
'73 Safari 23'
'00 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QC
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05-07-2015, 01:47 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
, South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,367
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
yeah, but if you do the math on this one, it doesn't have that much grunt. The 4-banger is not particularly powerful...it does have 4.11 gears, though.
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It should work. Your Jeep/23 combo weighs 3,000 + 4,500 = 7,500lbs.
and has 120HP / 140 ft-lbs.
Do you recall our Nissan mini van/23 combo weighed 4,200 + 4,500 = 8,200lbs
and had 150HP / 180 ft-lbs.
Crunch the number and they are very close as far as power to weight.
Also realize the van only had 3:89 gears, cruised the highways at 100KLH and we climbed a lot on hills here in Ontario.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/CF105/airr.jpg
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05-07-2015, 01:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Kitchen table math aside, I say as an actual former Patriot owner, no way and no how would it safely haul anything over 1ton.
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05-07-2015, 03:35 PM
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Patriotic
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,546
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Wayne, have you actually had your Safari on a scale? I never have, so I don't know the actual weights...but I've always ball-parked it in that area.
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Wbcci: 3752
'73 Safari 23'
'00 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 QC
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05-07-2015, 04:40 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Rhinebeck
, New York
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 114
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Icy
25000 km, 21 states, 4 provinces and through the rocky mountain's. Averaged 15L/100km's without heavy winds. Jeep was prepared by CanAm RV in London Ontario, Jeep was equipped with a 3.6L, 6 speed manual and 3.73 gears. In all our travels from Ontario to Florida to California to BC and back home we had "0" problems towing.
Great SUV and a great trailer. |
Congratulations especially for the 25,000 KM on the road. I am envious. Our 2014 23' International Serenity has been in storage behind the barn and used but two weeks in the past year. Such is life. Once mama get's the bees and chickens cared for, and her new consultancy business in order perhaps we too will travel.
I am surprised frankly that your combination TV and TT actually work and especially well. Perhaps we are too conservative employing a Ford 250 / 6.7L diesel as a tow vehicle. Yes it is overkill but it sure feels "safe".....as safe as towing can be. Keeping up with traffic is easy regardless of terrain. The 3/4 ton truck with it's big diesel drives better withe the Airstream than w/o. It likes the stress.
Bravo for you guys in any case.
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05-07-2015, 04:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 19' Bambi
mt. Prospect
, Illinois
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 829
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Sounds great. The 3.6l engine is rated at 285 hp, which is plenty of power.
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05-07-2015, 07:19 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2010 22' Sport
Sarnia
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RareStream
Nice looking rig!
You're lucky you have the 6spd manual...no overheating problems as compared to the automatics that need a transmission cooler to keep from frying the tranny without pulling anything.
What year is your Jeep? Have you had the left side head replaced yet?
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2012
only early models had engine problems
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05-07-2015, 07:27 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2010 22' Sport
Sarnia
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peanut
Wow 15.68 MPG towing a trailer that is more than twice the manufacture’s limit for both weight (2000 lb) and frontal area (25 sqft) is quiet impressive. What’s the secret? I barely get 18 MPG mostly highway with my 2 door 2013 Rubicon auto not towing and 11mpg when I towed a little 1600lb T@B on flat land.
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11.7L/100km's @ 115km/h with out trailer
15L/100km's @ 103km/h with trailer and no wind
its the rpm and torque curve I think
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05-07-2015, 10:24 PM
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3 Rivet Member
Seattle
, USA
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 199
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Pentastar engine problems and valve failure persisted into the 2013 model year...I know from direct experience.
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05-08-2015, 05:46 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
, South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,367
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck
Wayne, have you actually had your Safari on a scale? I never have, so I don't know the actual weights...but I've always ball-parked it in that area.
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Yes Chuck we did have it on the scales a few times. With options (awning, air, laminate flooring, Ikea kitchen cabinets, etc it's dry weight is almost 4,000lbs. Loaded for travel it gets up to 4,500lbs.
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05-08-2015, 05:55 AM
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Patriotic
1973 23' Safari
North of Boston
, Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 4,546
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I guess the tag is fairly accurate, then, at least for this year/model. (3800 empty/5800gvw). I know I've seen a lot of folks grumping about how their measured weights are very, very different from what is published.
What about the "actual" tongue weight? That seems to be where most are unpleasantly surprised.
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'73 Safari 23'
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05-22-2018, 08:01 AM
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New Member
2018 Basecamp
Santa Clara
, CA
Join Date: May 2018
Posts: 1
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I have a JKU Rubicon and about to buy a Sport 16". Are you towing with all stock parts or did you upgrade and buy anything to ensure an easier or better tow?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icy
25000 km, 21 states, 4 provinces and through the rocky mountain's. Averaged 15L/100km's without heavy winds. Jeep was prepared by CanAm RV in London Ontario, Jeep was equipped with a 3.6L, 6 speed manual and 3.73 gears. In all our travels from Ontario to Florida to California to BC and back home we had "0" problems towing.
Great SUV and a great trailer. |
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06-01-2018, 03:33 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
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Contact Andrew Thomson at Can Am RV. They’ve set up a good number of these. Plus 10,000 other tow rigs.
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