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Old 04-06-2015, 09:00 AM   #15
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The post above is partially incorrect. Otherwise, it and the others are spot on. Your pickup and Airstream going to the lake for the weekend is NOT classified as a "commercial motor vehicle" unless your pickup has a GVWR of 26,001+ lbs (not GCWR) or unless you're hauling someone else's Airstream for a fee (like delivering).

As long as you're not towing someone else's trailer as a delivery or transport service where you will be paid, and you're not towing it in order to transport other goods for sale across state lines, you're fine and don't neet a DOT number. Take it from a guy that has a Class A,M CDL with every endorsement except for HazMat and Passenger/School Bus, and used to be someone who could be behind you in the car with a funny paint job and blue lights.
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Old 04-06-2015, 09:02 AM   #16
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The post above is partially incorrect. Otherwise, it and the others are spot on. Your pickup and Airstream going to the lake for the weekend is NOT classified as a "commercial motor vehicle" unless your pickup has a GVWR of 26,001+ lbs (not GCWR) or unless you're hauling someone else's Airstream for a fee (like delivering).

As long as you're not towing someone else's trailer as a delivery or transport service where you will be paid, and you're not towing it in order to transport other goods for sale across state lines, you're fine and don't neet a DOT number. Take it from a guy that has a Class A,M CDL with every endorsement except for HazMat and Passenger/School Bus, and used to be someone who could be behind you in the car with a funny paint job and blue lights.

Ha Love it, everything including HazMat but NO blue light history, except following me at times.

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Old 04-06-2015, 10:40 AM   #17
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The federal CDL regulations do not apply to RVs, trailers or MOHOs. However each state has it's own regulations on towing a trailer. The biggest consideration in these regulations is when a trailer has to have it's own braking system. Since almost all RV trailers exceed the lowest of these regulations it should not be an issue.
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The post above is partially incorrect. Otherwise, it and the others are spot on. Your pickup and Airstream going to the lake for the weekend is NOT classified as a "commercial motor vehicle" unless your pickup has a GVWR of 26,001+ lbs (not GCWR) or unless you're hauling someone else's Airstream for a fee (like delivering).

As long as you're not towing someone else's trailer as a delivery or transport service where you will be paid, and you're not towing it in order to transport other goods for sale across state lines, you're fine and don't neet a DOT number. Take it from a guy that has a Class A,M CDL with every endorsement except for HazMat and Passenger/School Bus, and used to be someone who could be behind you in the car with a funny paint job and blue lights.

I meant to say "not". I left it out by mistake-
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I am a DOT compliance guy who apparently cannot type very well.
Towing your own travel trailer requires no special training, apportioned plates, or special driver's license.
The DOT rules and regulations apply to commercial motor vehicles, for hire, doing trade or commerce.
Also, your pickup and Airstream trailer do not have to cross the scales at weigh stations.


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Old 04-07-2015, 12:42 AM   #19
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Thanks to all for the great information. My wife WILL (hopefully) sleep better tonight not having to worry about this any further.
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:38 AM   #20
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Hi, in California, I looked this up a few years back because a co-worker was going from an already too heavy toy hauler trailer to an even larger toy hauler. The rule was that if the trailer weighed, GVWR, not actual weight over 10,000 lbs, you had to get a non-commercial Class A driver's license.
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Hi, my co-worker's truck was rated to tow 7,800 lbs. He, later, lost control of it while passing a big rig down hill and rolled it. He no longer tows.
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Noncommercial class A driver's license.

Hi, I just did a search on this and in California you need a noncommercial class A driver's license if your trailer has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs or more. Also if you have a fifth wheel trailer that has a GVWR of 15,000 lbs or more. And if you have a live stock trailer that has a GVWR of 10,000 lbs up to 15,000 lbs. And these are for personal use only. [not for hire]
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If your GCWR > 10,000 lbs. do you meet all of the Department of Transportation (DOT) commercial operating requirements? Do you have a DOT number? Do you display it on your TV? If so what other "stuff" do you do to stay legal?

Doesn't this apply to most of us? How do y'all handle this legal wrinkle that I haven't seen discussed here before.

DOT Mandates May Apply When Using Trailers - Articles - Safety & Accident - Articles - Work Truck

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Hi, I read this link and it's information is in-correct; Read my previous post.
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Hi, I read this link and it's information is in-correct; Read my previous post.
What part of that is incorrect Robert ? It looks right to me because they are talking about commercial use. That is different from private, not for hire use.
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Non-commercial (meaning RV trailers and tow vehicles) vehicles seem to be mostly ignored by DOT unless there is a blatant visible safety issue. Highway safety devices (triangles or cones in case of a flat or breakdown) and fire extinguishers are just common sense to have when traveling along with a decent first aid kit.
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What in the world is a non commercial Class A license?
There is no such thing in Mississippi.


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No such thing in Missouri either. I think it's something that is unique to the peoples republik of Kalifornia. Sceptics would say it's just another way for the DMV to collect some more taxes. Supporters would say it's a useful road safety process because it requires passing a test that proves the operator understands the safety issues.
I can see valid points both ways.
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No such thing in Missouri either. I think it's something that is unique to the peoples republik of Kalifornia. Sceptics would say it's just another way for the DMV to collect some more taxes. Supporters would say it's a useful road safety process because it requires passing a test that proves the operator understands the safety issues.
I can see valid points both ways.
Doesn't exist in my province either. But it doesn't appear to be unique to California. On line sources suggest there are non-commercial special license requirements (based on GVWR of TV or trailer) in CA, CT, HI, KS, MD, NC, NM, NV, NY, PA, SC, TX, and WY, plus more if you have more than one trailer connected.

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