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Old 10-18-2015, 02:38 PM   #15
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Also check to weight limit on your TV tires.

Something else to consider, the AS you buy will most likely out live multiple TV over the years. So selecting the AS that best meets your needs might be your first consideration.
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Old 10-18-2015, 02:52 PM   #16
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Thank you Silverflames, very good points to consider. Had that same discussion with my wife about getting the cart before the horse.

Much appreciated, Jim
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Old 10-18-2015, 03:26 PM   #17
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Jim-I think dkottum comes the closest to a perfect answer. All engineering specs are tweaked down to satisfy corporate lawyers. But still, it is at the very least psychologically more comforting to know you're not right at the edge of specs--too many lives at stake for a mistake. The only place where I personally differ was in following the advice of our Airstream dealer when we bought new--although Hensley's are legendarily great, other excellent devices, such as the Equalizr 4-pt that we use, are very good, and weigh A LOT less--right over your tongue.

We have a 28' International, rated at 7300 max that actually weighs out at 6980 when propaned and litely watered for the real world road weight. Our problem is that our actual tongue weight is way higher than advertised, and you definitely need to check this out. Our 3500 Sprinter (the same base upon which AS builds its B-Class) is rated at 11,500 GVW and, fully loaded, we weigh just under 6000, so no issues there, but you need to check out the payload that your Jeep will carry as compared to specs, as that's another easy place to go over. So the key for us, and I suspect for you, will actually be tongue weight--700 ish pounds that you (and 750 for us) that we're rated, is probably going to be well under. We compensated by (a) upgrading our hitch to a 10,000 lb/1,000 tongue weight hitch that has been tested to 140% of rated load and (b) working on lowering our actual tongue weight. We have moved everything that we can aft from the front storage areas, we travel now with only one propane tank filled, and this spring we will replace our 4 AGM's weighing about 280 lbs, most of it over or near the tongue), with 84 lbs of (pricey!) lithiums to save almost 200 lbs. overall and mostly off the tongue. We have already moved the (usually) 10 gallons of bottled water (80 lbs) from under our front "gaucho" to under the front of the rear bed, just behind the axles.

Please weigh the tongue on the 25', preferably with the trailer fully loaded--don't believe the Airstream specs. If you can deal with the tongue weight and your payload is going to be OK, you should be fine. The shorter wheel base is inherently less stable, but with proper wd and antisway and proper adjustment of brake controller and experience and changing it for different conditions, you will offset that while reaping the benefit of the shorter wheels base for tight parking maneuvers.
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Old 10-18-2015, 04:24 PM   #18
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Jeep is short wheelbase, but also short overhang (which is helpful). This should be also taken into consideration when talking about stability and comparison with trucks. Your payload is massive in comparison to many German SUV, which are towing even bigger trailers. Just do your homework and you will be fine with your TV.
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Old 10-18-2015, 04:31 PM   #19
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I have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland, rated at 7200 GVW and 720 tongue weight. Am looking at a 2007 Safari SE 25' FB. It is listed at 7300 GVW and 720 tongue weight. This puts me right at the limits of my tow vehicle. With a weight distribution system and proper loading, would this Jeep be adequate for this trailer?

Thank you, Jim
For what its worth, I tow a 2013 30' International that I never load to full spec. weight of 8,800 LBS the closest I get is about 7,000 LBS and that is with a full tank of water. Mostly I am at 6,500. However the tongue weight doesn't wary a whole lot. With good distribution I do push about 200 LBS back on the trailer.
I am using a Blue Ox WD hitch and I am very pleased with it.
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Old 10-18-2015, 06:11 PM   #20
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Gecko, Bono and Frank, thank you very much for your input and advice. I will study it all. Frank, what is your TV for the 30' Int?

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Old 10-18-2015, 06:56 PM   #21
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Common sense goes a long way when towing with a little undersized TV.. But your talking too a fellow who use to tow 8000 lbs with a VW thing..

Real world events will tell you a safe travel speed.. In most cases trying to run with traffic is just a waste of fuel. We generally run around 63 mph with our rig and gain around 4mpg trying to run 73 mph..

Guess what??? you get to see a lot of things other people miss going a tad slower and in 90% of the cases,, you will see the same cars passing you 4 times in a 300 mile trip running 15 mph faster.

Enjoy what you got,, and run what you got. The little hemi is a wonderful engine and can give you many trouble free miles pulling your A$..

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Check out " where did you wake up this Sunday morning". Hook it up and go. The Jeep will not be an issue. Jim


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Old 10-18-2015, 08:35 PM   #23
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Thanks Jim. Still checking out the AS, but getting lots of good information in this form. Greatly appreciated from all.

Regards, Jim

Ps, Loved the VW story!
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Old 10-18-2015, 09:43 PM   #24
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I had a similar problem earlier in 2015 when we bought our 23FB. We preferred the 25 but we loved our 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel Summit for comfort and economy reasons after 25,000 miles of non/towing trips. We compromised and bought the 23FB because the tongue weight was at the limit (actually would have been over limit after the hitch weight is added). The dealer tried to sell us on the 25 for obvious reasons saying it was ok.
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We completed a 95-day, 13,700 mile round trip from Seattle to Newfoundland in all kinds of weather and terrain from April-July and the Jeep was fantastic. We used an Equalizer hitch and never had any sway problem whatsoever. Wheelbase did not seem to be a problem. We averaged 16.4 mpg overall. Our tow capacity is identical to the 5.7 l hemi engine - 7,200 lbs with 720 tongue weight. Four wheel drive is rated 200lbs less than 2 wheel drive.
The Jeep is great when you are off on day trips! I would do the Overland next time because if the wheels. We have 20" alloy semi-low profile wheels, which are not as good as the smaller Overland wheels that are not low profile. We bent a wheel in a bad pothole on Newfoundland. Had to order a replacement from Toronto subce neither Jeep dealer had it in stock.
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Old 10-18-2015, 09:51 PM   #25
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Forgot to mention that we did carefully measure our tongue weight, axle weights, GVW, and GCVW using a CAT scale. All were within limits. We used a Tekonsha P3 brake controller and Millenco mirrors.
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Old 10-19-2015, 06:55 AM   #26
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Wheelbase

I went from a full sized Chevrolet Blazer (108") to a Chevrolet Suburban (130") and the towing control of the vehicle was markedly improved. Both were Chevrolet truck platforms and had no lift kits, oversized tires of any other modifications that would affect handling. I would say a 130" wheelbase or better is a good towing platform. I now have a Ford F150 with a 156" wheelbase and it tows quite well.
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Old 10-19-2015, 07:47 AM   #27
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I tow with a 2012 Dodge Durango, which is the same vehicle as your Jeep. I tow my 25' just fine. I've taken it to the scales and it's all within limits.

Although the 25' has a 7300lb rating, ours -fully loaded- weighs 6600.
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Jim, you are going to like the 25FB. I have a 2006 and tow it with my half ton Tundra. As many have stated, your only real issue is how you will manage the tongue weight.

I have weighted mine a couple of times now and I roll down the road at about 6000 but my tongue weight is a tad over 900. Don't have the figures in front of me but the TW is the big issue. The 25FB has two propane tanks, two batteries and a spare tire all on the front of the trailer. We travel with about a third of the FW tank full and pack lightly.

Get a good hitch, we really like our Equalizer, a good brake controller and set everything up properly. Drive sensibly and you will be fine.
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