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Old 04-11-2012, 11:21 AM   #15
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I have a neighbor that has one of the last H3s made. He won it at one of the local casinos. It actually is a pretty nice vehicle. Most mechanical parts are off the shelf GMC according to him. Not something that I would buy, but he likes it and that is all that matters. He tows a little Scamp and says he can barely tell it is back there.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:28 PM   #16
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I think it would make a beautiful rig. That is, if you like the look of a sleek, aerodynamic Airstream being pulled by a big brick!
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Ouch, that kinda is true...

But then again, it's not always about looks!
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A Jeep or a Hummer would make great tow vehicles because they have very little rear overhang compared to most pickup trucks and SUV's. In comparing a Chevy Tahoe to a Chevy Suburban, the wheelbase of the two are different, but their wheelbase to rear overhang ratios are almost identical. Therefore, both vehicles should be able to handle the same trailer with similar results as far as length is concerned.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:56 PM   #19
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I don't think the Hummer has such a hot service record. It would be my very first concern.
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I think it would make a beautiful rig. That is, if you like the look of a sleek, aerodynamic Airstream being pulled by a big brick!
Very true. It would make for one large moving contradiction. It would almost be a sin to pull a beautiful airstream with one of those things...
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This is the template used to overlay the picture of a car/truck to determine how or where some aerodynamic changes could help reduce fuel burn (reduce horsepower demand). It has no superior.

Where to "chop off" that long tail for normal practicality is the end of numerous discussions.

One might say that, the farther from this, the uglier when it comes to "sleek and sexy" in re TV's pulling an A/S.

Where a combination rig can be as closely coupled as a tractor/trailer then the combined pair take this appearance.

Even the Chinese couldn't be persuaded to buy the Hummer manufacturing equipment (if you've seen how ugly are some of the others roaming their roads at present).

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The comment about Toyota and diesels.. In any other country they have some of the best diesels made.. Its our chicken s--T govt EPA,, and totally unreal goals..

I have a friend down under with a Toyota FJ,, 6 cyl diesel and he gets over 30mpg.. Mine with the wimpy v6 Gasser will see 20 but very seldom on the highway.

Germany and most of Europe started the clean air movement long before us,, but when they got to the point it was going to hurt fuel mileage they sat back and looked at the WHOLE PICTURE and found a happy balance with a "let see if we need to do more later".. They have 50mpg cars and we are stuck with mid 20s... Go figure.. who runs this country anyway?

Now apply this to our tow wagons the effects add up fast.. I had a 1994 Dodge Cummins with a auto trans.. I did not even keep track of fuel performance as it was always above 25mpg.. My 98 dropped to 17 mpg till I spent $1000s and chipped it up the able to see 20mpg.. All my friends with 2011 and 2012 Rams are happy with 13 to 15 mpg. Right, not happy..

If our EPA would stop the "mother may I game" and stop charging $000,000.00 to test and clear just 1 engine model,, and test again with another platform we would have diesel option in anything sold in the show room today,.. And if the standards were backed off to real world needs,, we could pull our Airstreams all day long and get in the mid 20s mpg.

Now,, try feeding a large farm tractor that uses 150 gallons of diesel a day.. I have a 1990 model tractor that can farm 4 acres on 1 gallon of fuel.. A new tractor with the same draw bar hp,, now can only farm 1.5 acres per gallon.. Starting this year we now have to add 1 gallon of urea to squirt into the muffler for every 4 gallons of fuel,, It by the way costs an extra $4.44 a gallon... AND we cant get it all the time so when the EPA smog Urea tank is empty the tractor will not run..

They are slowly killing us.. Think I'm on a soap box,, talk with a trucker right now,! Mid 90s we had full sized semi's pulling 40 tons getting 10mpg on a good day, ,Now at best 4.5 to 5 mpg.. And we wonder why food costs so much.. Here's your sign, !

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Germany and most of Europe started the clean air movement long before us,, but when they got to the point it was going to hurt fuel mileage they sat back and looked at the WHOLE PICTURE and found a happy balance with a "let see if we need to do more later".. They have 50mpg cars and we are stuck with mid 20s... Go figure.. who runs this country anyway?
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Germany and most of Europe started the clean air movement long before us,, but when they got to the point it was going to hurt fuel mileage they sat back and looked at the WHOLE PICTURE and found a happy balance with a "let see if we need to do more later".. They have 50mpg cars and we are stuck with mid 20s... Go figure.. who runs this country anyway?

Now apply this to our tow wagons the effects add up fast.. I had a 1994 Dodge Cummins with a auto trans.. I did not even keep track of fuel performance as it was always above 25mpg.. My 98 dropped to 17 mpg till I spent $1000s and chipped it up the able to see 20mpg.. All my friends with 2011 and 2012 Rams are happy with 13 to 15 mpg. Right, not happy..

If our EPA would stop the "mother may I game" and stop charging $000,000.00 to test and clear just 1 engine model,, and test again with another platform we would have diesel option in anything sold in the show room today,.. And if the standards were backed off to real world needs,, we could pull our Airstreams all day long and get in the mid 20s mpg.

Now,, try feeding a large farm tractor that uses 150 gallons of diesel a day.. I have a 1990 model tractor that can farm 4 acres on 1 gallon of fuel.. A new tractor with the same draw bar hp,, now can only farm 1.5 acres per gallon.. Starting this year we now have to add 1 gallon of urea to squirt into the muffler for every 4 gallons of fuel,, It by the way costs an extra $4.44 a gallon... AND we cant get it all the time so when the EPA smog Urea tank is empty the tractor will not run..

They are slowly killing us.. Think I'm on a soap box,, talk with a trucker right now,! Mid 90s we had full sized semi's pulling 40 tons getting 10mpg on a good day, ,Now at best 4.5 to 5 mpg.. And we wonder why food costs so much.. Here's your sign, !

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Go figure.. who runs this country anyway?
It's not who but what. It is the demand and thirst of North Americans who have/want the biggest/heaviest RV's and TV's on the planet. When the demand & dollars are there supplies will be provided.
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It would almost be a sin to pull a beautiful airstream with one of those things...
Yup! It's just wrong. Wally wouldn't approve either. No no no
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I happen to love the Hummers. As an analyst, I wondered why they even sell in the US in cities, nonetheless. You never need to go offroad for the most part. Everyone you see driving them live in populated areas. They get bad gas mileage. They aren't particularly luxurious, and their aerodynamics are nonexistent.

I had to go to my marketing resource, Clotaire Rapaille, and he researched this very topic. Turns out the code for Hummer is something like "powerful". It's big, therefore it transmits messages of safety, and that taps into our reptilian neurobiological desire to protect offspring.

(FYI - it's Sunday, I am tired of looking at cars, and I find marketing ruses particularly interesting. Thought you all might too). Now, I am back to finding an '03 - '06 Dodge 5.7 liter diesel.
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Check out todays article in NYT about Lincoln revival in Business:

" . . our potential customers regard themselves -- in an idealized state -- as magicians transcending barriers of time & space" (barely paraphrased).

F'n hilarious

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