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Old 08-29-2016, 07:39 PM   #71
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A false sense of security is probably worse than the wrong hitch, tv or tires.

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Slowmover, maybe you should be the first one to step up to the plate to sell your dangerous pickup truck........
What you are probably seeing on the highway is folks with poor driving skills. I will happily keep my safe pickup truck which was designed from the ground up to do this towing job as intended.

What I see, almost invariably, is a lousy hitch set up. Trailer nose down. No idea of how set a hitch. Goes hand in hand with a pickup, it seems. Doesn't stop them from passing game above 65. Ignorance must be bliss. Until it isn't.

Pickups were designed to carry weight in the bed. With greater ground clearance. Not designed for towing. Not at highway speeds. Empty, even.
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Old 08-31-2016, 06:02 AM   #74
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Pickups were designed to carry weight in the bed. With greater ground clearance. Not designed for towing. Not at highway speeds. Empty, even.
That must be why modern pickups have features like anti-sway control, and they offer things like towing mirrors and max trailering packages.
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Towing "design" is the basics. Not add ons. Physics respected.

A pickup is high profit. That leads. Physics sidestepped.

Best tow vehicle is always going to be four wheel independent suspension (as well as four wheel disc brakes). Same for travel trailer.

With both, lower center of gravity and focus on fairly equal wheel/tire loads are better yet. N
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Pickups were designed to carry weight in the bed. With greater ground clearance. Not designed for towing. Not at highway speeds. Empty, even.
Yet they tow daily, well and safely. Funny how they do that even though they weren't "designed" for that.

Even the most "tow designed" vehicle can be overloaded and made to tow unsafely. Design is not going to overcome operator error.

9 out of every 10 vehicles I see towing something are pickups. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
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Its very easy to provide one sided assessments. Like, vehicles/trailers that sit low or have independent suspension are better. Well, the correct answer is "it depends".

If you want to go "off road", you need a TV and trailer that sits higher. If you want to carry a heavy load, you need a solid axle -- independent suspension does not have as much load carrying capacity as solid axle. Its also more expensive to manufacture/maintain, and does not provide as much wheel articulation for off roading.

Also, it would be great if folks could be specific: which vehicle with independent suspension are you talking about, thats better than all trucks on the road?
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Let's face it.
We love crew cab pickups.
I haven't been in an interior this big since the Cadillacs, Buicks, and Oldsmobiles of the early 70's.
We like lots of storage.
A crew cab pickup with a cap or tonneau is like a very large car with a very large trunk.


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So pickups aren't designed to tow. Neither are sedans and SUVs that need modified suspensions, hitch receivers, tires, cooling systems and special high priced hitches. Let's put this in perspective. Some don't like pickups for towing even though they can right off the lot, yet these same people like other vehicles which require mods to be able to tow safely. So which type of vehicle is safer for towing?
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So Slow mover if pickups aren't designed to tow what do you consider a tow vehicle.
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We are not in 1970's anymore. Its 2016 and sedan tow vehicles do not exist anymore. There are probably more UFO sightings than sedan tow vehicle sightings. Yet there are daily discussions on this forum about the topic ....
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A Chrysler 300 is a sedan.
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I haven't seen a family car - sedan, mini van, SUV - with a receiver hitch, RV style trailer plug receptacle, transmission cooler, transmission temperature gauge, tow/haul mode, 13 1/2" brake rotors, integrated trailer brake controller, towing mirrors, over 400 lb. ft. of torque, and 10,000# towing capacity.
What exactly is design?
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I haven't seen a family car - sedan, mini van, SUV - with a receiver hitch, RV style trailer plug receptacle, transmission cooler, transmission temperature gauge, tow/haul mode, 13 1/2" brake rotors, integrated trailer brake controller, towing mirrors, over 400 lb. ft. of torque, and 10,000# towing capacity.
What exactly is design?
My Suburban had all of these things, and my Grand Cherokee has most. And my trailer weighs 3850 lb so I no longer need 10,000lb towing capacity. I have 290 horsepower, proper WD, brake controller and sway control, and over a million miles of safe driving, much of it towing, going for me. It's no guarantee I'll never have an accident but neither is a giant pickup truck.

I'd take an SUV with a safe driver over a lot of the pickups I see following at half a car length on the freeway these days.

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