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Old 10-19-2007, 03:10 AM   #29
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I don't know about 1/2 tons but I started thinking a F250 5.4 might be the ticket for my 25' footer so I hooked up to a friends to try it out--bad, bad,bad--no power. Very unimpressed, just wait til you go up a hill. I mention this because a 5.4 is what you get in the F150. Those tow figures are smoke and mirrors and hype.

Sure you can tow 10,000 pounds with a 1/2 ton just not very far or up a steep grade in anything more than 3rd gear and not much over 45 mph unless you like the whine of an engine that sounds ready to burst and god forbid you do it 90 degree temps or try to stop this load after a long descent.

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Old 10-19-2007, 04:45 AM   #30
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My feeling is that a 7,000-lb trailer is the cut-off for easy performance from 1/2T to 3/4T. Nothing particularly scientific about it, beyond rear axle weight rating.

Like the cars of old, where going to the big motor with a numerically lower rear axle rating was a boost in perfomance w/o much of a loss in mpg, the 3/4T does make towing easier, more comfortable. It's more than is needed in many cases and that makes it about right.

That said, were I towing less than full-time (and had no need for a heavier truck beyond towing) then I would certainly appreciate the easier ride and generally better manners of a 1/2T. Not to mention that the 1/2T springing is better suited to towing than the bigger trucks. So I have to climb some grades slowly? So what? Extended time under WOT is hard, but the drivetrain is also made to do it. One just needs to treat factory service guidelines as a minimum. If I drop to 35-mph, I just put on the four-way flashers. I drove the US this way for a living, it ain't no big deal. It alone in no justifies going to a 3/4T, especially for a part-timer.

For me it comes down to that full-floating rear axle that (used to be) the important difference for towing between 1/2 and 3/4 ton. And a 7,000-lb trailer is about the right weight to make that shift for me.

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Old 10-19-2007, 05:47 AM   #31
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The new 3/4 ton trucks ride just fine. Very comfortable. I tow a 28' Int. with the F 250 6.4L diesel. Previously I pulled with the Ford 1/2 ton 5.4L V8. The difference is amazing. Sway is just about gone, engine/transmission braking is improved. Drove all through the Mts of NC and never encountered a grade the truck could not handle readily. But, it's a matter of mathematics and physics. You figure out the amount of load you need to haul in addition to the TT and then buy accordingly. We haul wood, water, generators, generator gas, bikes, and lots of other gear on most trips.

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Old 10-19-2007, 10:44 AM   #32
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Originally Posted by mandolindave
But I was talking about the NEW 2008 1/2 ton trucks that are saying that can tow 10 K lbs. Do they have bigger rotors and heavier springs, and all of the other good stuff. It seems like they have just made a 1/2 ton into a 3/4 ton.
yes the 08 has...

-larger rotors and clearly better stopping power...
-the frame has been strengthened again and in several ways...
-the axle size/rating increased...
-and suspension bits are new and up rated...
-and i think the tranny gears are bigger this year too...

and what about the bolts that hang 'em from the rafters, those are some big bolts!

the old 1/2, 3/4, 1, 1.5 and 2 ton labels continue because folks think they understand the meanings...

but the payload for each has long since exceeded the intent of those 'ton' labels...

still the 'science' behind the payload and tow ratings is pretty vague...

i'd love to know exactly how each maker gets to their rating...

but consider this....

were the ratings more accurate 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years ago?

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the itty bitty ford ranger truck is really more like a traditional half-ton in capacity and build and useful space...
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Old 10-25-2007, 01:43 PM   #33
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Forget all the dumb stuff. Get a 3/4 ton with a V10 or Diesel. Don't care what Big 3 truck you buy, their all capable. I have an 06 F250 PSD. Buy it and spare yourself all the pain of knowing you bought an undersized "sometimes adequate for the job" 1/2 ton p/u truck.
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Old 10-25-2007, 03:26 PM   #34
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In an attempt to answer some of your question. The new F150 does have a larger boxed frame. It seems that lots of it's bits have been upsized.

This was learned by carefully watching Ford's T.V. commercials. I'm sure you will wisely go to the dealer and look at the sales propoganda and an owners manuel snatched from a random glove box to determine for yourself what the numbers actually are.
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Old 10-25-2007, 05:26 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by mandolindave
Can anyone explain to me why the 2008 pickup trucks and vans have about twice the towing capabilities of the earier versions.
Sales are down because of increased fuel costs and manufacturers are willing to push the envelope at our expense to keep up shareholder value? Don't want the stock to be downgraded? Cost of vehicles have become ridiculous? Hope nobody reads the fine print or the "***" disclaimers?

Naw.... they wouldn't do that... would they?
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Old 10-25-2007, 06:49 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Gen Disarray
Great question! and not to hijack on only the second post, but do they have the brakes and suspensions to go along with all this new found power?
Just my thoughts! You've got to be able to STOP whatever you tow.


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