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Old 05-28-2013, 07:28 AM   #15
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Low is good. One of the reasons Airstreams handle so well is because of the their low centre of gravity.

If you want to "reduce" the tv/trailer's towing prowess install a lift kit on both.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:31 AM   #16
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But, is overloading a vehicle to the point that it sets so low that most of the suspension travel is already used a good thing?

I submit it is not.
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But, is overloading a vehicle to the point that it sets so low that most of the suspension travel is already used a good thing?

I submit it is not.
I appreciate your safety concerns and providing tow specs and it is noted, however, I am looking for someone to set my Odyssey up to tow and I am asking advice from people who've experienced towing with a similar vehicle. I wasn't trying to stir up a rant against a particular tow vehicle.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:04 AM   #18
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But, is overloading a vehicle to the point that it sets so low that most of the suspension travel is already used a good thing?

I submit it is not.
Why don't you have another look at the Siena in the picture a few posts up... it doesn't seem to have its suspension compressed an unusual amount.

If you have examples to the contrary, set up by Can Am, do post photographs.
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Why don't you have another look at the Siena in the picture a few posts up... it doesn't seem to have its suspension compressed an unusual amount.
A good point DKB. Another example was our Nissan/23'. No unusual suspension compression.
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But, is overloading a vehicle to the point that it sets so low that most of the suspension travel is already used a good thing?

I submit it is not.
Ha ha I admire your persistence, Steve.

My Sienna has an unloaded ground clearance of 6 1/2 inches. It doesn't drop a lot more when hitched to the trailer, but I guess you'd need to see it in action to be convinced. I've never bottomed out the suspension, even fully loaded on Michigan's highways, so I'd say I was good to go.
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Mr UK Toad,

You keep saying how happy you are with the minivan, but I have yet to see any weight tickets of it. We all know you are towing way more than the factory towing capacity, and suspect carrying more weight than the factory specs.

Is it a case of ignorance is bliss?
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Mr UK Toad,

You keep saying how happy you are with the minivan, but I have yet to see any weight tickets of it. We all know you are towing way more than the factory towing capacity, and suspect carrying more weight than the factory specs.

Is it a case of ignorance is bliss?
The guy is determined, so why blast him? Doesn't seem to matter what anybody tows with unless it's a one ton Dually then somebody jumps on and declares him ignorant or worse. I see lots of set-ups going down the road that I wouldn't personally be comfortable with, some I try to avoid and hope the patron saint of RVs is working overtime for.
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Guys,

I'm the first to admit my ignorance in towing matters, which is why I had a professional set me up. I do not need the patron saint of RVs (that raised a smile) to work for me, overtime or otherwise, because the said professional did his job right in the first place.

It really doesn't concern me what any of the self-appointed experts on the Forum say about folks towing with a minivan (or sedan, or SUV) because the guy who sets these things up does so for a living and really knows what he's talking about. I know many of you think he's out to make a buck by fleecing innocents like me, but where's the evidence that his work is anything other than excellent? Heard any horror stories from his customers? I don't think you will.

I'll get the beast re-weighed Steve, if it means that much to you. I'm not sure you'll ever be convinced but that's fine. If I'm ever in Houston with the Airstream, I'll be sure to look you up so you can test drive it for yourself
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Mr UK Toad,

Is it a case of ignorance is bliss?
Neither. IMHO I believe it's a case of working with a towing specialist that understands the true capabilities of the combibation as a whole.

Most armchair expert wanabees just don't have the experience, training, knowledge, etc to comprehend the whole process.
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Just for the record, I couldn't care less what people want to tow with, it's their choice, as long as they're safe. But, when people come on this forum and ask for assistance because they have absolutely no experience either towing, or setting up a rig, I find it troubling when the "AndyT" "groupies" suggest anything can be done if they go to see him.

This when I know for a fact they will be going way above the manufacturer of their vehicle's max towing rating, and I suspect with the tongue weight of the trailer they intend to tow combined with the "stuff" they want to haul when going camping, they are exceeding the manufacturer of their vehicle's GVW.

I do not tow with a 1 ton dually, but I suppose it would be OK if I wanted to. I do tow a 31', and a while back I went thru a search and data gathering exercise because I wanted to go down from a 3/4 ton truck to a 1/2 ton truck. Guess what??? There was not a 1/2 ton truck built by any manufacturer that would carry the weight of my trailer's tongue and all the stuff I normally carry with me. I traded for another 3/4 ton and I'm happy with it.

So, an American heavy duty version of a 1/2 ton truck won't do it, but a Japanese minivan will???? Let me up.

In addition, the OP'er has a Honda, and if I'm not mistaken, Honda even recommends AGAINST using a WD hitch with their vehicles.
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SteveH, the OP who's asking about it apparently has a '59 Flying Cloud. The dry weight of his entire trailer is barely 2x the tongue weight of your Classic. Not all trailers are alike, any more than all tow vehicles are alike. While your negativity about towing with minivans may have been directed at MrUKToads heavier modern trailer, the original question was about a very different setup.
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SteveH, the OP who's asking about it apparently has a '59 Flying Cloud. The dry weight of his entire trailer is barely 2x the tongue weight of your Classic. Not all trailers are alike, any more than all tow vehicles are alike. While your negativity about towing with minivans may have been directed at MrUKToads heavier modern trailer, the original question was about a very different setup.
Yes, I understand, and a '59 Flying Cloud weighs 2900 lbs dry, and his minivan is rated to tow/haul a gross of 3500 pounds, and is not recommended to be used with a WD hitch.
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a while back I went thru a search and data gathering exercise because I wanted to go down from a 3/4 ton truck to a 1/2 ton truck. Guess what??? There was not a 1/2 ton truck built by any manufacturer that would carry the weight of my trailer's tongue and all the stuff I normally carry with me.
And we all know my story, trying to do the same (downsize from Super Duty to F-150), problem is I did my homework, but not enough as I remember the sticker shock when I found out my max payload was way below my requirements (and even less than the max payload of my Touareg TDI).

Anyone who flys planes knows they can be flown outside of the envelope - but one maneuver too hard can cause stall, airframe damage, etc. I'm sure the same can be said for vehicles and trailers.

I towed a 25fb classic with my Touareg all over (thank you ProPride hitch) but attempting to manage my weight load coupled with not being able to bring with me what I wanted took so much fun out of towing my Airstream.
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