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Old 06-21-2008, 10:10 PM   #1
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Red face Help! Will a 2000 Honda Odyssey tow a '75 Sovereign?

I'm looking into purchasing a '75 Sovereign. Have a 2000 Honda Odessey. I've tried to figure it it out and I'm confused. The weights are:

Honda: GVWR-5656 lbs.
GAWR: 2840 lbs.
Sovereign: 5065 lbs.
-hitch wt. 650 lbs.
-ball ht. 19.5 inches
If someone could tell me it can be done, I'll go for it!
Thanks for the help.
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First, welcome to the forums.

Here is the bad new. The towing rating for that Odyssey was only 3500 pounds. The towing specifications are listed here:
2000 Honda Odyssey Engines and Performance - MSN Autos
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Old 06-22-2008, 07:55 AM   #3
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BTW, that weight for the Sovereign is a bit low. Our '74 Sovereign weighs closer to 7,000 fully loaded.
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I'm looking into purchasing a '75 Sovereign. Have a 2000 Honda Odessey. I've tried to figure it it out and I'm confused. The weights are:

Honda: GVWR-5656 lbs.
GAWR: 2840 lbs.
Sovereign: 5065 lbs.
-hitch wt. 650 lbs.
-ball ht. 19.5 inches
If someone could tell me it can be done, I'll go for it!
Thanks for the help.
I'd say you are looking at the dry weight of a '75 Sovereign which means no propane, no fresh water, no liquids in either tank and no cargo. Your Odessey will already be taxed with too heavy a weight even before you pack up for a trip.
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The Ody tow rating serves purposes other than helping folks determine what it will tow. OdyClub Forums has a number of discussions about towing with the Ody. Can Am RV in Ontario has helped a number of folks configure rigs that might not otherwise seem suitable to make comfortable (and safe) combinations.

The Ody has a 250 HP engine so it has the power. For the 2000's the weak spot may be the transmission but that can be handled with proper cooling.

i.e. towing with the Ody may make the weight police blanch but it can be done if the appropriate considerations are taken.
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That combination is not only a disaster waiting to happen for the driver and passengers, but for everyone else on the road. Glad you're far away if you do decide to try it - I'd hate to meet it on the road! Darol
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I don't know anything about a '75 Sovereign, but I'd consider using an Ody for my 25SS except I have heard early models had transmission issues. Can-Am RV > Home has a lot of experience with Ody's -- you may wish to contact them for a bit of advice.
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... I've tried to figure it it out and I'm confused...
hi 'creek and welcome to the forums...

GOOD FOR YOU! trying to figure out the ratings and capacity.

this isn't about us 'policing' your endeavor, in the least.

the available numbers for curb weight are ~4200-4400 lbs for the minivan...

so the od' has a generous payload, relative to it's size...

that's not surprising BECAUSE it is a people hauler...

BUT the gcwr which is the KEY figure imo is only ~8,200-8,400 lbs...

and THAT IS WITH the tranny cooler package.

so the suggested towing capacity of 3,500 lbs is PRETTY CLOSE to a real estimate.

IF u managed to configure a receiver that would carry the tongue load...

AND used a hitch that COULD redistribute adequate load to the FRONT steering/drive axle for safe handling...

the combo would SITLL be OVER the axle rating, tire rating, towing capacity AND gcwr...

and also over the payload and gvwr..

in other words 6 parameters would be OVER specs with a EMPTY trailer...

but that 250 hp would sure get the mess rolling!

i think mswartz may have towed a bambi with that van, so u might pm him...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/memb...artz-4480.html

while VERY willing to work outside the box,

his insight on this issue would be first hand and is usually very pragmatic....

PLUS he lives on the same planet as you...

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I have towed my 2001 19ft Bambi with a 2000 Odyssey, putting over 30,000 miles with the combo over five years.

See the old picture on mswartz.com , which I have not yet updated.

Last year I purchased a Honda Ridgeline to replace the Odyssey for towing.

Based on this extensive experience,

I would urge you not to tow the Bambi with the Odyssey for many of the reasons listed on this thread.

Marshall
here is a thread for ya with issues from us specs-freaked folks who try to rely on SOME of the numbers...

and another happy od' owner towing a TINY 'stream...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f368...cle-27011.html

if you are thinking about moving to another planet... SURE go for it!!!

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That combination is not only a disaster waiting to happen
like I said ... there's the FUD mongering 'weight police' and then there's the 'been there, done that' bunch.

I really wonder what the RV industry would have been like 50 or more years ago if the "disaster waiting to happen" ethos was as prevalent then.

As I noted, with a 250 hp engine and a fairly long wheelbase, the Ody has several attributes that can make it an excellent tow vehicle given appropriate preparation and considerations.
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I have never towed an Airstream with a 250HP Honda Oddy so I do not know how it would perform or handle so it's not fair to comment on that apsect.

However I have towed our's with the smaller 150HP Nissan Mini Van for many years. It worked very well with "0" issues.

Many folks just can't get passed the idea of a TT like an Airstream being such a superior tow.

If someone jumped on the forum and said they had a perfect 1955 Mercury sedan with a 188HP engine and wanted to tow a 30' Airstream 99% of the members would be crying the blues about the idea.
Comments like "please don't drive in my State" or "I don't want to share the road with you!" will be posted immediately.

If you look at this link Road test 55 Merc and 30' Airstream
you will see from 1955 how well a 55 Mercury was at handling a 30' Airstream. Acceleration, braking, high speed of 91MPH etc are very respectable numbers.

Now in the interest of science lets compare the Oddy to the old Merc.


The uni-body used in the Oddy is stiffer with far less flex.
The brakes are so much better.
The engine is much more refined and has much more power.
The Oddy with stability control is far superior for handling.
And so many other advantages including modern technological advancements with hitch platforms, hitches, brake controllers etc.

Now if one was to do an on road towing review how would they perform? Based on the vehicles advanced technical merits many would suggest the Oddy would easily out perform the old Merc in every way????
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I compared it to towing a 31' '77 Excella 500 empty, just a few hundred pounds heavier- as well as loaded, with a '92 Z71 1500 4X4. I could get up to speed and stop OK but it was not a comfortable feeling compared to my '01 2500hd extended cab.

It will be interesting once he loads the trailer up and fills the seats of that Odessey. Good luck in his towing experience.
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You know, I'd REALLY like to see some performance numbers of this hitched up and moving. Part of me says... NOWAY! The other part of me thinks it might just work.

I say call CanAm, contact some ACTUAL owners, and make a decision from there.

IF you do it, can you let us know how it works?
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There is no doubt that it couldn't be hitched up and be rolling down the highway but I'm wondering about the ability to have a controlled stop should you be placed in an emergency maneuver such as someone pulling out in front of you.
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There is no doubt that it couldn't be hitched up and be rolling down the highway but I'm wondering about the ability to have a controlled stop should you be placed in an emergency maneuver such as someone pulling out in front of you.
I am not sure about other states, but ours requires the tow vehicle to be able to safely stop the trailer without the trailer brakes. I can envision a Geo Metro pulling out in front of the Oddysey/Sovereign, and the Sovereign's brakes stop working. Not a good scenario.
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