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Old 08-08-2015, 02:49 PM   #29
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We have a 2014 fully loaded w/ tow package, F-150 Lariat. 3.5L Ecoboost towing a 2015 25' FB Flying Cloud. The truck pulls well, quiet, shifts nicely in the tow/haul mode, and I added after market mirror extenders and a rear-view wireless camera for additional assistance in passing, parking and backing in. What I am disappointed in is the mileage experienced thus far. Approaching 50% or more of the total allowable tow weight, we're averaging 10MPG at 60MPH on most level Interstate travel (I10 E-W) so far. When not towing, We travel at 65MPH and average 22-23 MPG. I am considering an upgrade to the F250 diesel. That seems to be a drastic reduction in MPG when towing. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Others?

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Gas engines really loose MPG while towing. They have to have high RPM in their power-band to overcome the drag, dramatically increasing the fuel use. That's why any vehicle that see's any decent amount of towing around the world is diesel.
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Old 08-08-2015, 05:39 PM   #30
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Gas engines really loose MPG while towing. They have to have high RPM in their power-band to overcome the drag, dramatically increasing the fuel use. That's why any vehicle that see's any decent amount of towing around the world is diesel.
Conventional wisdom agrees with you; however, that is the whole concept behind the Ecoboost. Its peak torque is low like a diesel and fairly flat so that high RPM is not needed. That said, companies are not done maxing out for maximum MPG so they are turning to gearing. Currently the 2.7L Ecoboost is easily a challenge to the Ram ecodiesel. There is around a 2mpg difference, the 2.7 runs on regular and does not require DEF. There is 35 ft lbs difference in torque. The ecoboost can tow more and has a greater payload capability. I have owned diesels and like them but I also see advantages to gas engines. I no longer see diesel as a money saver. Previously I viewed them as a fuel saver and long-lived design. The former advantage disappears when the fuel is around 35-40 cents more per gallon and the latter may not hold on the modern diesel- at least on components like the fuel systems. The main thing is that we have options. I am not sure how the future F150 gearing will help towing as we would want a solid pull at speed with as little shifting as possible.

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Lariats seem to be about the same 1600 to 1700. I was hoping for 2000lb payload for an XLT Supercrew XLT 156" wb but didn't materialize.
@ KJRitchie--No the 2015s are different in payload. My first visit in March to the dealer was all about the salesman trying to sell me a 2014. He had three Lariats in white to show me. All of them had payloads around 1200. Beautifully loaded but not able to do what I needed. It was a no brainer for me = no can do. That said, I know there are '14s out there that can do it but the '15 models have even higher payload ratings. You need to look again for your 2000# payload XLT. They DO exist. I saw a 145" with 2300# payload.
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Old 08-08-2015, 07:25 PM   #31
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Just saw a TV ad for the 2015 F150 stating 12,200# towing capacity and 3,300# payload.
Apparently none of you have found that one.


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Old 08-09-2015, 03:38 PM   #32
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Just saw a TV ad for the 2015 F150 stating 12,200# towing capacity and 3,300# payload. Apparently none of you have found that one.
That is the maximum configuration for the model line. Each trim change, model and options eat away at those figures. Also, that would include HD payload pkg and max tow pkg. I learned by playing the payload sticker game in the lot. That specific configuration you mention is a regular cab 4x2 with 3.5L Ecoboost and 3.55 rear axle in most likely an XL or XLT.

The crew cab 3.5 eco short bed goes to 2070# payload, 11,900# tow. The four door is most popular.
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Weekend curveball.... I was set on the 145" WB with a 5'5" box, but the other half suggested "if we're getting a truck we should get the bigger bed" I've driven the 157" but not a 145". Also thought she'd be more comfortable in the shorter truck.


Pro's for the short box were that it fit in the garage (barely). Shorter for parking lots & day to day use. Smaller for any light off-road use.

I guess the longer box gives room to sleep in it on trips w/o the trailer (I'm 6'1" and the ability to better carry bikes and skis.

My plan was to do a tonneau with fork bike mount and a rack system for a ski box/ paddleboards to start. Maybe a cap down the road in a year or two when we have dog and kids.

What do ya'll think?
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Surprisingly the F150 has no stock rear swaybar. The hellwig will be one of the first additions. Maybe even front and rear. I'm a tinkerer by heart so there's a long list of add-on's and mods that will get done eventually.

Need to upsize front antiroll bar with the addition of one in the rear where none existed. Energy Suspension greaseable polyurethane bushings are an easy addition at the same time.
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Weekend curveball.... I was set on the 145" WB with a 5'5" box, but the other half suggested "if we're getting a truck we should get the bigger bed" I've driven the 157" but not a 145". Also thought she'd be more comfortable in the shorter truck.


Pro's for the short box were that it fit in the garage (barely). Shorter for parking lots & day to day use. Smaller for any light off-road use.

I guess the longer box gives room to sleep in it on trips w/o the trailer (I'm 6'1" and the ability to better carry bikes and skis.

My plan was to do a tonneau with fork bike mount and a rack system for a ski box/ paddleboards to start. Maybe a cap down the road in a year or two when we have dog and kids.

What do ya'll think?
i think the long truck will be longer than most marked spaces. take a look at the length of the spaces you now use as a daily driver.
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Old 08-11-2015, 01:36 AM   #37
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when i get home i have to wait for two cars in a row to leave :-) (and i have the shorter truck) city life <sigh>
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Old 08-13-2015, 06:20 PM   #38
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Has anybody mentioned getting LT tires spec'd? I put them on in and noticed a difference. Much less back end movement, feels better planted.
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Yes, I will move to a LT tire as soon as I can. Possibly even immediately and swapping back to the original AT treads for winter just to use them up.

Winter/off towing season - stock P-rated tires
Summer/ towing season -LT rated Michelin M/S
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Mine came with Michelin LTX MS/2 tires on it.

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Weekend curveball.... I was set on the 145" WB with a 5'5" box, but the other half suggested "if we're getting a truck we should get the bigger bed" I've driven the 157" but not a 145". Also thought she'd be more comfortable in the shorter truck.
When we spent FOREVER going through the trucks on the lot I saw two 6.5 foot bed F150s. When you step back and look, that bed length balances out the cab/bed better and looks nicer from the side BUT they are hard to find.

Also, just an FYI on the model trims and details for shopping. The XLT and Lariat offer the most configurations and most payload rating- up to 2900 lbs.
I found my achilles heel is my wheel/tire package. While the 20" wheels look great they limit the tire and load rating. The 18" wheel set is the beefy one and the one on the max payload pkg. With the 20 inchers you get around 1800# payload.

The difference in Lariat 502A to King Ranch and Platinum? Basically three standard items - 1) grade of leather and wood trim; 2) badging and grill 3) either two tone paint (King Ranch) or Power Running Boards (Platinum). Power boards are an option on Lariat or King Ranch. The cost differences are $4-5K for either of the King or Platinum.

BTW Ford FINALLY updated their selection tool on their website. It will easily configure what you need under the "build your own" link. What is perplexing is the tool shows none with 2300# payload and I saw two with that rating on the lot.
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Mine came with Michelin LTX MS/2 tires on it.
P-rated or LT? That's the first I've heard of a factory spec MS/2. I know a lot of the 20's come with a Hankook AT series tire, the name escapes me. It is the second tire I would consider.

I noticed Ford updated their build site. Guessing they are getting ready to roll out '16 builds/options. We'll see if there's any curveballs there in terms of bundled packages.

After more deliberation, I think we're riding it out for another 6-8 months with the x5. Now that I've paid for another $$ oil change and alignment I should be ready for another 10K miles. These trucks are some big money. Especially looking at what you can get a 250 for at the moment. I'd love to have that 6.7L because I love a diesel and they are beasts, but it won't be the right truck for a 4mi commute everyday driver. And we really have no need for that much truck......
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Here is a shot of my tire. Interestingly I did not think about the other point until you made it - P or Metric rated just that they were LT tires.

So, I looked it up. Michelin lists a Metric version of the MS/2 in a 20" as the LT275/65R20/E 126/123R. The HD payload models all have the 18" tire/wheels and guess what, metric rated tires. BTW, there were several brands of tires on the trucks I looked at. They do not seem picky on that point. Mine are listed as P rated with 275/55R20 113H with 2304# load capacity. The metrics are 3700#in the 20". My 17" load E MS/2 on my previous truck were 3400# each. Whew, I hope I can use these.
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