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Old 08-06-2015, 02:18 PM   #15
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Russ63 your numbers don't seem that far off from what I would be expecting. I pull 16.5mpg while towing today so sadly, I'll be giving up mileage going to this vehicle. I'll have to see if I can find the ford manual with options & weights for the '15 models.

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Old 08-06-2015, 06:23 PM   #16
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Contact Andrew Thomson at Can Am Rv. Get his input on what matters most for stability.

Then the rest.
Speaking of stability, the "one thing" that I did to my Nissan Frontier truck that helped stability more than anything else was to add a hellwig anti roll bar under the back.
I have driven a 2015 F150, factory stock. If I were to buy one, that would be the first thing I would add to it, especially if I used it for towing ( I would ) but even if I did not use it for towing. ( perhaps the 2015 F150 comes with one standard ? )
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:54 PM   #17
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Surprisingly the F150 has no stock rear swaybar. The hellwig will be one of the first additions. Maybe even front and rear. I'm a tinkerer by heart so there's a long list of add-on's and mods that will get done eventually.
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:11 PM   #18
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I took delivery two weeks ago of my F150. I traded my F350 6.7, I got tired of feeding the beast. I got the Max Tow package, 3.5 Eco, 4X4 and the 302A Equipment Group, 40-console-40 front seat, 157 inch wheelbase, 36 gal tank, and tailgate step. My door sticker says 1772 lb. payload. Don't know about 2016, but the Max Tow requires the 3.55 rear end. So far, I'm very happy with the truck, especially all the towing gadgets that are included. I hooked my 8400 lb Boles Aero on and took it up a 10 mile grade from 5600 feet to 6000 feet and it only downshifted briefly into 5th a couple of times. It should handle my 73 Overlander quite well.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:26 PM   #19
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We have a 2014 fully loaded w/ tow package, F-150 Lariat. 3.5L Ecoboost towing a 2015 25' FB Flying Cloud. The truck pulls well, quiet, shifts nicely in the tow/haul mode, and I added after market mirror extenders and a rear-view wireless camera for additional assistance in passing, parking and backing in. What I am disappointed in is the mileage experienced thus far. Approaching 50% or more of the total allowable tow weight, we're averaging 10MPG at 60MPH on most level Interstate travel (I10 E-W) so far. When not towing, We travel at 65MPH and average 22-23 MPG. I am considering an upgrade to the F250 diesel. That seems to be a drastic reduction in MPG when towing. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong? Others?

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I also have a 2015 F-150 with Ecoboost, pulling a 25' Flying cloud, and I average about 16 litre/100 KM., or about 18-20 MPG. at 110 KPH. (70 MPH) I have a 6 spd. trans, and the 6th. speed is never used. It's a useless redundancy. The perfect RPM for this engine is 2500, (max. torque) and in 3rd. gear will give me about 60 KPH. In fourth gear, will give me 92 KPH, (about 57 MPH). In 5th. gear, 2500 will give me 120 KPH, ( or 75 MPH.)
Mine comes with a 3.55 final drive, although I wanted a 3.73., but it handles the 'Cloud quite well. If I had a 4.10 or 4.56 final, I could probably use that 6th. gear to advantage. but as is, it's a useless add-on.
You should not run your engine below 2000 RPM, to avoid 'lugging', and to allow the ancillary services to do their job. (Air condition compressor, water pump, A.C. generator, power steering etc.)
Let the engine 'swing' it's muscles, and the turbos to breath properly, and you will get good performance and decent gas 'milage'. (In Canada, 'Klikage'?)
I CAN cruise at 120 KPH, but the wife gets nervous, so I just keep it around 110 on our 400 series highways. The Airstream is quite stable at either speed.
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Old 08-08-2015, 06:54 AM   #20
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Anybody have comments good or bad on the SYNC mytouch infomedia system? Wondering how it will compare to the next gen sync3 coming out. It looks like SYNC3 may be in the 2016 Escapes which are at the dealers. Might have to go in and play around a bit.
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Old 08-08-2015, 08:16 AM   #21
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Just completing the research and purchase job myself I can tell you what I discovered about the F150. First, the dealers do not know exactly how the options impact payload. I DO know that the one I purchased is 300# less than spec sheet so my options weigh that much. BTW, after spending an HOUR with the salesman looking through 135 trucks to find the missing truck and looking at payloads etc, I have seen payload figures up to around 2300# in an XLT model. The offroad package adds a bit of weight and takes from the payload around 200-300# though an exact amount is difficult they had various options additionally- I refer to my observation during the lot hunt and payload stickers.

You have a distinct advantage that I did not have- less tongue weight @535#. You could go either way 2.7L with HD payload, max tow or 3.5L with tow package and be completely within specs either way. The 2.7 is very similar in power to my previous V8 4.63V in power but with torque at a lower RPM. I know the engine size seems to defy logic but test drive a couple and you will realize the power. The boost is low to moderate and in my 3.5 the gauge indicates minimal boost on normal acceleration. I am sure towing will be a bit different but even with only 500 miles so far. I am on spec in city/hwy mileage even in break-in. The 2.7 is worth about 1 mpg city and 2mpg on hwy and with HD payload will be around 1500# at my estimate. The trim package impacts payload for sure. The XLT is the payload king configuration for sure.

Whatever you do, don't wait to get tow mirrors afterwards if you want them. They are $165 option for power mirrors but around $1000 after purchase. I did not get tow mirrors and will use Aero mirrors but they would be nice.

My thoughts on the options: We found two Lariats for me. Both loaded up well but one had Adaptive Cruise, FX4 off road package 4x4 and I believe the 6900# whatever. The payload was 220# less than the other. I have now read the manual including features I do not have and have this to say about the self-driving features. They are nice but the manual warns of computer delay, that sudden frontal stops may not trigger the system quickly enough so drivers have to be vigilant. WHAT IS GOOD about the system is the braking ability it adds to the collision warning system. The self parking is a mute point for me but the 360 camera is fantastic. It is like having a drone over top of the truck- love it. I will park myself.

The spotlights were a surprise feature for me never mentioned by the salesman. I was playing with the truck at night and discovered them. They shoot out a wide beam on three sides of the truck- sides and rear, about 10 feet or so. These are NOT those door lights but something better. Great for dark camping setups which I have done three times so far, once in pouring rain trying to hold a flashlight.

If this helps, my configuration from the window sticker is GVWR 6800# (some were 6200!) with a 3.5L Ecoboost, Max Tow (which means 3.55 EL axle with 3.5L) Lariat with all features minus Adaptive Cruise, Dynamic Park or 4x4 stuff including off road pkg. I figure that in most of my intended usage, according to the F150 forum, the locking axle will be good enough. Heck a guy in Alaska shared his 15-year experience on 4x4 vs 4x2 locking and sold me.

Much of the choice depends on what you want. The XLT is nice. The one that had 2300# payload did not have a moonroof, leather or many features- very similar to my previous truck, a good basic truck with the muscle options. The tow mirror option is rare on the lot and almost will require ordering IMO. If you order you can probably get a 2016 and then have the pro trailer backing as an option too!
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Old 08-08-2015, 08:40 AM   #22
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With Ford the higher the trim level the payload is reduced. Example, the Lariat will have more payload the the Platinum. I have a 2015 Platinum with only 1300lbs. of payload which is not enough for my 30' Cloud. With the 23' trailer you should be fine with just about any trim level of truck. Try and think into the future because if you go with a longer trailer then you might also have to upgrade the truck. My solution is simply to go with the Ford F250 diesel which will handle just about any trailer out there.
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Old 08-08-2015, 08:56 AM   #23
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My solution is simply to go with the Ford F250 diesel which will handle just about any trailer out there.
That would work. I have to have a daily driver too. It is my only vehicle. The 2300# payload XLT for example would pull any Airstream easily. You are correct on the trims and payload. The sales guy learned that when he steered me to a Platinum first thing. I was "sticker-aware" so I knew that whatever I got, I wanted it to be MORE than my current truck of 1548# so looking them over I realized with every unlocked door opportunity, to get a feel for the actual payloads on the lot. One key factor is on the sticker. It says 6200-7000# or so (don't know the limit) for GVWR. Interestingly you can also visually see when they are parked side by side that the taller ones have more payload. Not counting swamp buggies!
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Old 08-08-2015, 09:17 AM   #24
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Anybody have comments good or bad on the SYNC mytouch infomedia system? Wondering how it will compare to the next gen sync3 coming out.
I really like the my touch. I am tech oriented and it is WAY better than the '09 sync basic I had. It is intuitive and the menus make sense to me. I have not figured out why there were so many complaints about it though I know that some are menu challenged. I think of it as learning to follow a path.

The ecoboost and mileage towing: I do not expect to get much different than previously. I averaged 12mpg calculating at the pump with my previous truck. I do expect to have loads more power at tow for the same mileage. I have garnered this from the F150 Forum. That said, when I am not towing, I will benefit from better mileage and I am already seeing that- from 13.x in town to 17 avg with 500 miles on it.
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Rodsterinfl - What is the final payload number on your truck. Your lariat spec is essentially what I'm looking at. I have seen some listings referencing 7000# GVWR. I assume that's the vague sticker your referencing above. Unfortunately our local Ford dealer doesn't have a pile of trucks to comb through. I need to go down and do a first hand look at what they do have. So far it's been snooping around the web piecing info together.

Ford chat said '16's can be ordered now and should start showing around Oct. If I have to order I guess i'll be in a '16. That might be good or bad....
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My payload is 1720# and the tow rating is 11,900#. Mine is 6800# on the sticker which was the most common number I saw. The dealer I was at is big with a lot of trucks now. They sell close to 50 a week. You need to snoop in person. It is a whole new ballgame since the payload stickers tell the REAL story. I have a prediction Widget based on what I found with Chevy and Dodge and their 8-speed tranny. When Ford does start using their 10-speed transmission, we will see less torque on tap at highway speed and more shifting to get more torque as is the case for them now. I believe that the 2015-2016 F150s will be nearly identical in most ways but that it will all change in 2017. They can get that 2.7 to 30mpg and that is their goal. I am not sure such a thing will happen with the 3.5. In my case, I needed to tow 7000# with a tongue of 1000#, a scooter in the bed and generator plus me. I have 400# of equipment that I load and me which I round to 200# that leaves 120# extra. Not too much extra but for the few times someone else comes along. Besides, I do not always take the scoot (320#) so that payload works for me. The 3.5 is a beast. Wait until you drive one. What a difference from the previous F150. More like a car. The dual moonroof I heard weighs 80#. I had no choice as every Lariat had it on their lot except a red one and, I don't do red.

If you want that hefty payload above 2000 go to the XLT. They have SUPER deals on that model right now specifically. It has cloth seats but can be loaded nicely. Every one I looked at had black or gray interior. I was told on towing customer got one and put leather seats in it and did that for the higher payload- I was told. It all depends on what you want. They are advertising 10K off on XLT. I got 7K off of the Lariat.
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Why do you think less torque with more gears?
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Why do you think less torque with more gears?
The 3.5 Ecoboost's max torque is at 2500RPM (420 ft lbs). Seventy-two percent of that torque is available for use at 70 mph-302 ft lbs (with the 20" wheels- a little more with smaller rims). As they gear the truck up to gain mpg they usually impact RPM. As they lower the RPM they lower the torque on tap. The transmission is forced, especially when towing, to gear down to get RPM and torque. In the case of a 10-speed, perhaps two-three shifts. When that happens you lose mpg and have a different tow experience. It will be interesting.

With 72% torque available at highway speed, there should be little downshifting while towing. My other truck with 44% of torque shifted quite a bit but had less than half the torque to work with (141 ft lbs). To be more exact, the torque will be the same BUT the gearbox will have to work to get it and provide less torque at a given speed.
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