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Old 06-19-2013, 12:22 PM   #99
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@ zigidachs...going to test drive on monday

What is SB?
SB= short bed. We decided to go with the SB because the Ram has such a comparative short turning radius to begin with, and the SB has even a shorter turning radius. ( CG maneuvering, etc)

We easily moved all our "stuff" from the dually to the SB truck.

The new Ram is redesigned for '13 with much better tow ratings than ever before. e.g....the 3/4 ton is rated to pull 17,300# which is as much as our dually was rated!

With the SB, the key, and very critical component is the hitch. The WD properties of the ProPride enabled us to "dial" in the proper tensioning on the WD bars to return the front axle to its pre-hitch weight (on the scale), and thus we experienced no real change in towing ability from the dually.

Currently, we average about 14 mpg while towing, but the truck only has 2100 miles on it, and the mileage will improve with time. Our dually finally peaked at 12.5 mpg towing or not towing after 36,000 miles.....

PM me if you wish, and I can send you my phone #.

I researched this project extensively. I have driven / owned other brands, and I have no "skin in this game" as far as brand loyalty. I just analyzed the data.

Love my truck....and so does my wife, who drives / tows without any reservation. In fact, she "fights" me for the privilege!
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:23 PM   #100
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the van's utility aspect is quite attractive.....wonder if they are lower cost too....
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Old 06-19-2013, 01:38 PM   #101
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You can haul almost anything with an F250. I used to haul 8 tons of hay out of the mountains with an F250 Powerstroke. I use 10 ply Cooper tires which cost about $900 for 4. A dually requires 6 tires. If you are in mud a dually will always have flat inside tires. It's a drag and unnecessary unless you are hauling a huge load of hay or horses.
May I suggest we remember something here ? The OP of this thread is new to all of this, and he has stated that he desires to STAY WITHIN the stated limits of the truck manufacturer.

You may be "able to haul anything with an F250"....and you may have "hauled 8 tons of hay" with it.....but doing so, you were over the stated limits of the truck, which again, is something that pharmgeek does not want to do.

Attached photo example. This is how I typically come back to the stable from the farm each month. The scale ticket for the day said this was just under 21000 GCW. That is a 4200 pound trailer, with a little less than 10K ( five tons ) pounds of hay. The GCWR of that one ton dually with 4.10 gears is 23,500. So we can see that I was close to bumping into the stated limits. An F250 has lower limits than a F350 DRW.

Now then....if all y'all ( that would plural of y'all ) wanna load and haul over limits.....knock yourself out, I really don't care. But, when throwing advice out to newbies ( apologies to pharmgeek for calling you a newbie ! ) we would all do well to tell the whole story.

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They maybe lower cost than a truck. Trucks are the most desired here in Alabama where you have to have a big truck to drive to work with nothing in the bed or your a wuss. Also you won't have to have a 20ft step ladder to get in a van.

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Old 06-19-2013, 08:27 PM   #103
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They maybe lower cost than a truck. Trucks are the most desired here in Alabama where you have to have a big truck to drive to work with nothing in the bed or your a wuss. Also you won't have to have a 20ft step ladder to get in a van.

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excellent point perry...I may indeed go test drive me a van....if the price was right I would be enticed....love the idea of having more capacity for passengers when needed, and for putting bikes in back no fuss no muss...

I dont much mind bucking the trends of dixie
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Old 06-19-2013, 09:15 PM   #105
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The only van left on the market is the Chevy Express/GMC Savana other than the Sprinter. The Econoline is no more. I don't know if there is a passenger version of the Nissan. I haven't seen one. I have no experience with the Sprinter, but the Express/Savana do a good job.
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He says I need a dually??

Greetings PharmGeek!

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Boondocking is a real likelihood...so yeah, extra water....some firewood possibly....gas...im unfamiliar with how much propane one needs when out and about so knowing if I would end up needing more propane...
Something to consider if ordering a new Airstream is to specify Forty Pound LP Tanks as an option if they aren't standard on the coach that you select (could also be added as an upgrade on a previously owned coach, but the expense could be considerable). When my Overlander was restored, I specified forty pound Worthington Aluminum LP Tanks, and have never run short even on a two-week tour away from electrical connections.

Good luck with your investigation and research!

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the van's utility aspect is quite attractive.....wonder if they are lower cost too....
I can't speak from recent experience as I haven't towed with a van since 1985, but one of the reasons that I traded that vehicle off was excess maintenance expense (1983-1985). The van in question was a GMC G2500, and came with the factory trailer towing package sufficient for the 4,000 pound Nomad that I was then towing. I relied upon my dealer for service as I have with my other tow vehicles and found that I was spending an additional 3/4 to 1-hour on labor for the necessary removal and replacement of the interior "doghouse" to access all of the motor's service points. There was also the issue of extra heat radiated from the "doghouse" when towing and the periodic grease and dirt spills when the vehicle was in for service.

Another consideration with a van as a tow vehicle is whether it has a "continental" spare tire mount on the rear door. With a "continental" spare tire, you will likely find that you need an extended draw bar to keep from having the spare tire contact the trailer in tight turns -- the extended drawbar was acceptable on the van with a short overhang, but when it was tried with the K1500 Chevrolet pickup that replaced it there was a problem with the towing geometry due to the longer rear overhang with the pickup.

Good luck with your research and investigation!

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saw this on the ford site...wife chuckled but was a bit intrigued by the idea of having things stowed away, dry, locked up...and when family visits (they do 1-2x per year in groups) they can all be toted around easily....

im skeptical that I will consider this option, but its kinda intriguing to consider...turning radius probably is terrible

2013 Ford E-Series Wagon Work Trucks | View Full Gallery of Photos | Ford.com

I have not checked out the other kinds of vans m.hony mentioned.
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Something to consider if ordering a new Airstream is to specify Forty Pound LP Tanks as an option if they aren't standard on the coach that you select (could also be added as an upgrade on a previously owned coach, but the expense could be considerable). When my Overlander was restored, I specified forty pound Worthington Aluminum LP Tanks, and have never run short even on a two-week tour away from electrical connections.

Good luck with your investigation and research!

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Looking at getting likely new flying cloud 30'.....2x 30 lb tanks per specs for 2013 models per AS website...

I probably will not any time soon need to do 2 weeks in a row...how long will 2x30 tanks last? May be overkill *for my personal use*? Not that I mind, but all this crap adds up

My addons will be awnings all around, 2nd ac, dark ultraleather, inverter, hitch (dont ask me at this point, no idea, propride is $$ and folks recommend, that is for another thread I guess), 16' LT michellins

Tentative plans at least.
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Looking at getting likely new flying cloud 30'.....2x 30 lb tanks per specs for 2013 models per AS website...

I probably will not any time soon need to do 2 weeks in a row...how long will 2x30 tanks last? May be overkill *for my personal use*? Not that I mind, but all this crap adds up

My addons will be awnings all around, 2nd ac, dark ultraleather, inverter, hitch (dont ask me at this point, no idea, propride is $$ and folks recommend, that is for another thread I guess), 16' LT michellins

Tentative plans at least.
Hi, that is a great question and I can answer that; I also have two 30 lb tanks. Living in Southern California and camping with full hook ups in good weather, I think it took about a year to burn one tank. [ maybe 6 to 8 weeks use] We also went to South Dakota in October one year; I had the tanks topped off in Wyoming because I knew it was going to be cold. Well it was down to zero at night and never above freezing during the day, so my furnace was running 24 hours a day. This was good for about 7 days and we were there for about 6 days. Unless you plan to tap into your propane tanks to run a generator or barbeque, I would not get the 40 lb tanks. [my opinion]
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I have no idea about gasoline vs. propane generator....?? difference in cost? weight?
If I ended up getting a van or SUV as a TV, then propane may be a good option. How far does gasoline go in a "typical" generator(s) that would be used to run 2 AC units in the summer?

Oh boy, more quesitons
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I ran gas WH all week and DW cooked breakfast using 3 burners for a week. We turned off the WH after use and about 5 minutes before we needed hot water. Both showered at least once daily, too. Also, ran the Fridge on gas a couple times like when towing..

We used a tad over 1/4 of a 30# tank... Having 2 is nice because I can choose the right time to take the empty for a refill... especially if it is good camping weather! I bought a fresh tank at the KOA we were staying at.. for the one we emptied already.
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