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Old 06-22-2013, 09:54 PM   #155
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Also any thoughts on suburban as TV appreciated
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:27 PM   #156
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Also any thoughts on suburban as TV appreciated
I am a fan of the Suburban, particularly after around 200,000 miles with my 1999 K2500 that I ordered new and took delivery of on April 21, 1998. The only option that I would not order is four wheel drive. My Suburban has four wheel drive and it is the only feature that has been wrought with trouble . . . the electronic control board (said to have been manufactured by Lucas Electronics) fails on an approximate 12,000 to 15,000 mile schedule. The most recent problem has been the failure of the transfer case itself.

Despite these issues, I have been very pleased with the performance of the 7400 VORTEC as well as the 4L80E transmission (differential gearing of 4.10). Solo, the Suburban can approach 16 MPG on the highway and between 10 and 12 MPG when towing (my maximum towing speed is 55 MPH). I have been running Michelin LTX MS2 tires since the OEM Firestones wore out at 35,000 miles . . . my current set of Michelins has 88,000 miles while my first set had in excess of 85,000 miles. The leather interior shows very little wear for its age and mileage, and the exterior is rust free despite having spent seven winters in Southwest Wisconsin and Northwest Illinois. The paint is beginning to show some age fading as I haven't been able to garage it for the past four years.

The Suburban is my second favorite tow vehicle behind my 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. The Suburban has had more power reserve than I have ever needed when traveling anywhere with my Overlander (6,100 pounds) or my Minuet (3,100 pounds). Were I to be looking for a new tow vehicle today, my choice would be a C2500 GMC Yukon XL with the 6.0 Liter V8 and 4.10 gearing. My true preference would be the 8.1 Liter V8, but that option was discontinued several years ago.

The only time that I have had any issues driving the Suburban solo has been in a few cities where parking garages don't have sufficient clearance for my '99 K2500 (I don't know how this would relate to the current models), and it can also be difficult to maneuver into the tight curves on ramps between levels in some parking garages. The maneuvering is actually less difficult with the Suburban than it was with my '95 K1500 pickup that I only owned for three years (long enough to realize that I didn't care for a pickup).

Good luck with your investigation and research!

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Old 06-22-2013, 11:44 PM   #157
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Thanks!

Hoping someone pulling heavier trailer with 3/4 ton suburban will comment as well - 30' bunkhouse we are considering is up to 8800 lbs

The stats as I recall work out in all ways - just wanted to hear from some owners

Sounds like you have good experiences - my dad did too

Would prefer 4x4 - perhaps newer models will not have the same problem....consumer reports does not show this problem in recent models in reliability history - not that this is iron clad
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:36 AM   #158
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I will probably never get another truck, but if I do, I want 4 wheel drive. 2 wheel drive trucks can get stuck in wet grass, and when I get stuck I have to "phone a friend" who has a 4 wheel drive.
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Old 06-23-2013, 07:07 AM   #159
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Exactly. My neighbor trades in his older 4x4 - 1 week later stuck in his grass and I pulled him out - 4x4 will be wanted
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overlander64..."The Suburban is my second favorite tow vehicle behind my 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer."

I will revert that statement....our 85 GW was marginal at best. Even with our 63 Safari it would start balking at the hint of an incline.
It did look good though.


Suburban' 2500 4x4....I wouldn't consider anything else. Although I have no experience towing with anything newer than our 06 8.1, I'm sure they are quite capable of pulling anything AS currently offers. Room,payload,comfort.

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The actually it is not compression braking so much as vacuum breaking. On a gas engine when you let off the gas the throttle plate closes and creates a vacuum. It takes work to create this vacuum. On a diesel there is no throttle plate. The intake stays wide open. Here is something about jake brakes.

Compression release engine brake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Old 06-23-2013, 03:30 PM   #162
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I have a coworker with a big SOB that he tows with a half ton 240,000 mile Suburban. They must be at least adequate. He recently "upgraded" to a 200,000 mile Duramax 3/4 ton.
I have another coworker who was towing a big v-nose front SOB with an F150. It swayed so bad that he bought an F250. The sway did not improve. The V-nose front doesn't allow the mounting of a typical weight distributing or anti-sway system. His problem is not gas vs. diesel or 1/2 ton vs. 3/4 ton. He has a problem with poorly designed, poorly balance camper. Airstreams don't have them problems.
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Just talking to owners of dualies...the dual rear wheels eliminate a lot of sway. Makes since- wider footprint. The same principle applies to equipment/car hauling trailers- dual wheel tandem axle trailers (8 tires on the ground) are les susceptible to sway than single wheel tandem axle trailers (4 tires on the ground).
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Old 06-23-2013, 04:24 PM   #164
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suburban or yukon xl becoming possibility....wife likes

She will need to see if she likes a test drive though.

need to run some numbers too..

Some believe the diesel with "jake brake" is significantly more safe - I do not know what to think about that..opinions seem to vary widely
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I just picked up my F150 EchoBoost a few days ago. No towing as yet but so far a very impressive and sophisticated machine. Much to learn about this truck. So far with about 500 miles on it I am doing 18mpg mixed driving. The Navigation is the best I have ever had and the free for 6 months Sirius radio is awesome. It includes along with radio of course, weather and travel alerts.

Nobody beats Ford when it comes to the frame and just plain truck capabilities. Luxury is just a very pleasant and on.
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"jake brake" is significantly more safe - I do not know what to think about that..opinions seem to vary widely....

Given your stated interests PharmGeek, the notion of stepping up to a diesel with a Jake is optional. It's value is best demonstrated in steeper terrain and where you encounter long down hill runs. Stick to LA and the coastal areas and your money will be better spent on a gasser.

Personally, we've toured 38 of the continental states and run about 20K miles in the last 2.5 years with our current rig combo. Our western trips include the Rockies and most every hill from Big Bend NP to Glacier NP. We've also conquered the ridge line from Lookout Mt., up the BRP through Va., to the Adirondacks and through the White Mountains to Acadia NP. Flat lands are just time in the saddle for us and best spent making as many miles as possible on the interstate.

Personally, I treasure our Jake as my brake wear is minimal and control is utmost in my mind. FYI, gas engines lose 10% of their umph with every 1K elevation gain, a little less with some of the newer engine mgt systems. It all depends on where you think you will travel.

I had a gas Suburban 2500 4x4 that went to 175K very happily and still own a 94' 1500 two wheel drive I use as transport for "horse" dogs around town. If your wife will drive your TV - be happy.
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At the Ford place in Greenwood, MS:
2013 F150 4x4s "equipped, not stripped" 31,999
2013 F250 4x4s "equipped, not stripped" 33,999
"and that's no bull!"
Check 'em out.
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GinMame said " I fell in love with the F250 SuperDuty diesel, but the wife said, "NO". So I've decided on a new approach."

I hated my husband's old F250s. They were noisy and smelled like diesel. I love his new one. It is quiet, comfortable and does not smell like a diesel. It is a towing machine.
Thanks for giving me more ammo for my quest. I'm going to share you post with my wife and she what she says. Cheers!
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