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Old 08-09-2013, 10:19 PM   #1
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good tow vehicle shoot out: diesel and gas

found this on horse trailer type website. They do a shoot out every so often. This one is from aug 2010 so a bit dated but still good info.

"PickupTrucks.com and MrTruck.com Heavy Duty 2010 truck shootout"

they show a price difference between gas and diesel in same make of some 14k and the difference in MPG both towing and non towing for the major models is quite enlighting..

have a read..
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:01 AM   #2
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I was surprised by the Ford winning best overall 3/4 ton gas.
I was not at all surprised by the Duramax/Allison getting best overal 3/4 ton and 1 ton diesel.
I was surprised that the 6.0 gas GM has less horsepower and torque than the 5.7 Ram. The 6.0 gas GM has less horsepower and torque than my 5.7 Tundra.
Sometimes specs on paper don't really compare to real world driving. For instance a so-called 425 horsepower 6.2 gas Silverado doesn't feel as strong as a 381 horsepower 5.7 Tundra.
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Old 08-10-2013, 01:03 PM   #3
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Looks like the times for the gas trucks are about the same. You know that the RPM's are higher on the gas trucks. Your can't pull a trailer up a hill at 2500 RPM's with a gasser but the time it takes to get to the top of the mountain is about the same. So what if the gasser is running at 5000 RPM. I will put my money on the gasser because I am all about low maintenance costs and overall cost of ownership. I think the EPA and the oil companies have made diesels a toy for the rich.

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I am also all about 1/2 ton trucks for towing Airstreams and for the softer ride as an every day driver.
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Looks like the times for the gas trucks are about the same. You know that the RPM's are higher on the gas trucks. Your can't pull a trailer up a hill at 2500 RPM's with a gasser but the time it takes to get to the top of the mountain is about the same. So what if the gasser is running at 5000 RPM. I will put my money on the gasser because I am all about low maintenance costs and overall cost of ownership. I think the EPA and the oil companies have made diesels a toy for the rich.

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A very good point!
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For the value, power, reliability and efficiency it's hard to beat a ford 7.3 liter diesel if you can find one. Even though they are all at least tent years old now, they just can't be beat in terms of reliability.
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For the value, power, reliability and efficiency it's hard to beat a ford 7.3 liter diesel if you can find one. Even though they are all at least tent years old now, they just can't be beat in terms of reliability.
How true. Wouldn't it be great if all engines were as reliable and efficient as the 7.3 Ford engine.

I have the 6.0 gas engine in my 2012 Chevy 2500. Towing up a hill at high rpm's with this engine just does not have the same strained feel and noise that my 2008 chevy 1500 with a 5.3 engine had. I am happy with the 6.0 gas engine for my purposes. I would prefer to have a 1500/150 truck but the loads I carry typically need the capability of a 2500/250 truck.
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There has been virtually no issues with the straight six Cummins diesel engine from day one. By design, a straight six is smoother running than any V-8. Only a straight 12 would be smoother running.

I had an 2004 Duramx and have the 2012 Cummins now. I am pleased with the Cummins now and do not have the urea issue to contend with like the Ford, GMC and new Dodges as of 2013.
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I would agree with you prior to the DEF systems and the soot catchers. None of them are worth having if you have to have all that extra BS to make the EPA happy.

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There has been virtually no issues with the straight six Cummins diesel engine from day one. By design, a straight six is smoother running than any V-8. Only a straight 12 would be smoother running.

I had an 2004 Duramx and have the 2012 Cummins now. I am pleased with the Cummins now and do not have the urea issue to contend with like the Ford, GMC and new Dodges as of 2013.
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Article is not relevant - this is 2009 technology demonstrated in 2010 for which their have been monster jumps in oil burner technology, especially Ford in 2011 and Ram/Cummins in 2013.

And 2014 for the gassers we see new Ram 6.4 liter Hemi and all new Chevy/GMC power trains...

And for the dinosaurs - that Eurea Injection is used by all the modern diesels (just now in 2013 Cummins) to include the big boys (Semi's) which increases mpg while provider more HP and torque than ever and DEF is cheap, cheap, cheap and getting cheaper all the time, the cost more than returned with better mpg....
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