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Old 06-13-2016, 05:56 PM   #57
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What a great picture of your Nissan rig. Where is the location, I'd love to get a picture of my rig there.

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Old 06-13-2016, 06:39 PM   #58
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I hope it's ok with me responding to your question, it's Hwy 158 otherwise known as The June Lake Loop
We'll be going up there again next week. It looks like he just passed Silver Lake going north.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:11 PM   #59
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I hope it's ok with me responding to your question, it's Hwy 158 otherwise known as The June Lake Loop
We'll be going up there again next week. It looks like he just passed Silver Lake going north.
Subfan knows the place well. Yes, it's just north of the Silver Lake Resort, and we were heading towards US 395. I remember that moment well as I looked in my side mirror and saw the view looking south. It looked like a great backdrop for the truck and trailer own tow, so pulled to the side of the road.

Regarding the DIC, I do have my transmission temp as one of the windows, but with the question about engine coolant temperature, I wondered if we had the option to display that as well, which would be more informative than the small temp gauge. My truck is at my local shop getting a set of Eibach ride height adjustable shocks put on the front, and picking it up tomorrow, so can't go down to the garage and see if engine temp is an option. I set up a number of optional windows, and if I missed engine temp, will definitely add it.

Sorry to the OP, didn't mean to hijack this thread. But I think my second paragraph is more on topic.
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Old 06-16-2016, 02:52 AM   #60
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With most 1/2 tons selling a good 10k off msrp I have to wonder how the demands stays so high for these puppies. Bang for the buck is certainly not there.
Which is why Ford said they wouldn't bring out a small pickup anymore. They said for about the same price folks could get the F150 and they didn't see the economic sense in it. Fast forward almost two years and now Ford is saying they are bringing a small truck to market in the next two years. They answer is pretty simple... not everybody needs a full size pickup and they are willing to pay the same price for something that's not quite a bulky as a full size ton.

For smaller AS units I see something like the Canyon/Colorado being a pretty good fit, add the diesel option and it makes a bit more sense. But it all has to be the right mix of terrain and AS to make it work.
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Old 06-16-2016, 04:34 AM   #61
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I think that is a good point.
Compare the price and fuel economy of the Tacoma and Tundra.
Some people still want a small truck, though.
It would be cool to have the power and towing capacity of a Tundra in a Tacoma size.
There really are no small trucks anymore.
They are midsize now.


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Old 06-16-2016, 06:59 AM   #62
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Great discussion ... thanks!

In Mexico there are more options for small trucks - Ford Ranger and VW Amarok (both diesel) are examples. The main problem in the USA is meeting emission and crash test standards. So people buy what is cheap and available. Idiot marketing advisors equate this with "demand" and what the consumer "wants".

Like I told the salesman when we went to look at a GMC Canyon, "I have a Ford Superduty. I'm not interested in a full size truck. I'm here to see the Canyon." Which somehow didn't fully register and he offered to show us some nice full size 1/2 ton trucks. That's when I shared a story about searching for a particular car pre-internet and it was found in less than 15 minutes.
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Old 06-16-2016, 10:32 AM   #63
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It still amazes me that my 2002 4 cylinder Tacoma tiny pickup got the same gas mileage the 2012 V6 4x4 crew cab I have now. In fact the 2012 does a bit better. 22+ mpg when not towing.


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Old 06-16-2016, 09:46 PM   #64
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In 1985 I bought a new Subaru SW with real 4WD; it got 35 mpg normally, with the 4WD or AC engaged it got 30 mpg.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:52 PM   #65
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In 1985 I bought a new Subaru SW with real 4WD; it got 35 mpg normally, with the 4WD or AC engaged it got 30 mpg.
And it could tow how much?


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Who knows ... the comment was in reference to fuel mileage.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:53 AM   #67
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Who knows ... the comment was in reference to fuel mileage.
As a previous owner of a 98 Outback myself, I can only share this. When I asked about adding a hitch so I could put a small trailer to haul lumber around, the dealership called their master tech who owned a similar vehicle and installed a hitch on his. At that time all of the engines were 4 cylinders, and basically he said it could be done but you didn't want to put more than 1,000 pounds on the hitch. In his words, they just weren't designed as tow vehicles.

This is where you have to look at all the factors. Does no good to find (or talk about) a vehicle that's getting 40 MPG when that vehicle can't tow your Airstream. In the case of the Canyon/Colorado I'm happy to hear folks with smaller Airstreams are able to pull with it because I like the size of the truck myself and if I thought I could get away with it, I might actually buy one. I do like certain aspects of owning a fullsize truck, but parking in tight spaces is not one of them.
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And now we can tie back in ...

The Subaru is unibody construction and also not designed for towing. The GMC/Chevy has a chassis and is designed for towing - 7,700-lb towing capacity, 1,620 payload - enough for my 27' Overlander.

People with VWs, Audis, etc. are towing larger.
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Hi, Note: these little trucks aren't really that little. Smaller engines, but these trucks are only a few inches here and there smaller than my F-150.
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GMC Canyon/Chevy Colorado 2.9 Diesel

Hmm ... to each his own ... 5.3" less width, 17" less length, and 72" less on the turning circle ... all the while offering better fuel mileage and a tow capability I can live with is enough for me.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...mc-sierra.html

The dealer where we looked at one had a used one sitting by itself and a new one sitting with the 1/2 & 3/4 tons ... after many years driving our F250, or a Grand Cherokee, or an old RAV4 I saw a big difference.
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