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Old 02-18-2010, 09:03 PM   #1
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We are interested in the Denali version coming in the summer. We have a 19 ft Bambi. The specs indicate a 5000lb tow rating and our trailers GVWR is 4500lbs.
Does anyone have a Acadia and tows with it?
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Old 02-18-2010, 10:01 PM   #2
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Can almost guarantee you will be over... 500lbs is not a lot to work with.
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Can almost guarantee you will be over... 500lbs is not a lot to work with.
The GVWR of the Bambi is 4500 lbs. The trailer should weigh quite a bit less than that. GVWR means that once the trailer is loaded it should weigh no more than 4500 lbs.

The Acadia should tow it without a problem.
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Good day Sunfan.... If you do a forum search on the Enclave (same as Acadia) you will find some more good info. There has been some road tests with the Enclave and a large Airstream resulting in rave reviews. Based on those results the Acadia should perform very well with the Bambi.
Getting the connection hardware and set up right is also a major factor in towing performance. Spend the time to get it optimal.
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I may be rong...but

I believe these are good numbers.... 4500lb GVWR, 4300lb axle rating,
3778lb UBW, 722lb NCC.

The same condition we have with our Classic...the axle's are under-rated.
Hopefully AS is assigning a 4300lb rating to a 4800lb axle.
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I may be rong...but

I believe these are good numbers.... 4500lb GVWR, 4300lb axle rating,
3778lb UBW, 722lb NCC.

The same condition we have with our Classic...the axle's are under-rated.
Hopefully AS is assigning a 4300lb rating to a 4800lb axle.
All of the AS weight would not be on the axles. Hopefully about 10% would be on the tow vehicle hitch.
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All of the AS weight would not be on the axles. Hopefully about 10% would be on the tow vehicle hitch.
Don't forget, fresh water, provisions, propane, household stuff, clothes...don't think there will be much wiggle room.

I have the same concern with our Classic...7300lb GVWR on two 3500lb axles.
CAT scale trailer weight loaded for camping with max adjustment on weight bars..... 7680lbs. Needless to say I have adjusted how we load things now.

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Don't forget, fresh water, provisions, propane, household stuff, clothes...don't think there will be much wiggle room.

I have the same concern with our Classic...7300lb GVWR on two 3500lb axles.
CAT scale trailer weight loaded for camping with max adjustment on weight bars..... 7680lbs. Needless to say I have adjusted how we load things now.

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The GVWR should include all the things you mentioned. If your AS weighs more than the GVWR then you have over loaded your trailer. I'm sure others have done that as well.
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The GVWR should include all the things you mentioned. If your AS weighs more than the GVWR then you have over loaded your trailer. I'm sure others have done that as well.
Yeah.... but it would be a lot easier if the axle rating matched or was a little higher than the GVWR of the trailer. Just don't make much sense putting 7000lb worth of axles on a GVWR of 7300lbs.
BTW tongue weight is not subtracted from the total.

"A gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) is the maximum allowable total mass of a road vehicle or trailer when loaded - i.e including the weight of the vehicle itself plus fuel, passengers, cargo, and trailer tongue weight."
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Wait a minute. We add the tongue weight to the GVWR of the trailer, then we add the tongue weight to the GVWR of the tow vehicle as well?
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um hmm....The Acadia's specs indicate that it can pull up to 5000lbs Most of the time its just my wife and I, so I'm under its tow rating. I may not have asked the question correctly so, If anyone has used a Acadia and not the Enclave because its tow rating is lower, how stable is it? Does it have enough power? Is their a web site for Acadia owners? kind of like the Ridgeline has one.
We would like to change our Tahoe but only if it is safe to do. The Tahoe is great however but could use a little better MPG through out the week. We already did the longer trailer thing and now we really like the 19ft.
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A properly set-up hitch and sway control is most important for comfortable/safe towing, lots of info, enter towing on google search above.

Powerwise, in the flats should be ok, may be a little marginal in the hills.
The 6 speed automatic should help, 288lb/ft of torque is pretty good for the V/6, a little more payload would be helpful.

Maybe someone with direct experience will chime in.

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Wait a minute. We add the tongue weight to the GVWR of the trailer, then we add the tongue weight to the GVWR of the tow vehicle as well?
Try this.....

Understanding RV Weights
For the safety of your family and others around you, it is crucial to understand and stay within the weight ratings of your RV and tow vehicle.

Vehicle and trailer weight numbers fall into two categories:

•Actual weights: Measured weight of the vehicle or its components. Factory quoted weights may be averages or estimates of actual weight.
•Ratings: Weight ratings are limits placed on the vehicle or its components, which should never be exceeded.
DISCLAIMER: While we believe that all information on this web site is accurate, we can not guarantee that it is applicable to You specifically or to Your situation. More »
The most common confusion about weights occurs when the two above categories are mixed.



On this page we define and provide details about the following weights: Cargo Weight, Curb Weight, Dry Weight, FGAW, FGAWR, GAW, GAWR, GCW, GCWR, GTW, GVW, GVWR, King Pin Weight, Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight, Payload, RGAW, RGAWR, Tongue Weight, UVW

GVW: Gross Vehicle Weight
GVW Includes
Curb Weight
Cargo Weight
Persons weight
Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) is the actual weight of the fully loaded vehicle or trailer, including all cargo, fluids, passengers, and optional equipment, as measured by a scale.

If you are in a motor home and not towing anything, the GVW is the total weight of the RV and everything in it. If your RV is composed of more than one unit (towing a trailer or a vehicle), then the GVW is only part of the total.

The GVW is important because without this number you can not determine if you are within the limits set forth by the manufacturer, laws, and regulations. This number can be approximated based on information provided by the manufacturer or dealer, but the only way to be sure is to drive the RV on a scale and measure it.

GVWR: Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is the maximum number that the GVW or GTW should never exceed. GVWR is applied to trailers as well as vehicles, but you may see this rating referred to as the Maximum Loaded Trailer Weight.

GTW: Gross Trailer Weight
GTW Includes
All GAW's
Tongue Weight or King Ping Weight
Weight on all deployed jacks
Gross Trailer Weight (GTW) is the same as Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) when referring to a trailer. While GVW can be applied to tow vehicles and trailers, GTW makes it clear that we are speaking of a trailer.

When connected, a portion of the trailer's weight is transferred to the tow vehicle through the hitch. In this case the GTW includes all axle GAW's and the Tongue Weight or King Pin Weight.

When not connected to the tow vehicle, the trailer's weight rests on its own tires and on all deployed support and stabilizing jacks. If you are weighing a trailer without the tow vehicle, be sure to place the entire unit on the scale, including all jacks.

GCW: Gross Combination Weight
GCW Includes
GVW of tow vehicle
GVW of towed vehicle
Gross Combination Weight (GCW) is the actual weight of the fully loaded tow vehicle plus the towed vehicle (trailer, car, boat, etc.), including all cargo, fluids, passengers, and optional equipment.

If your RV is composed of more than one unit (towing a trailer or a vehicle), then the GCW is the total weight of all connected vehicles and everything in them.

Again, the only way to accurately determine the GCW is to drive the entire assembly on a scale. You may also determine the GCW by adding up the individual GVW's of all components.

If you weigh the components separately, make sure that they are configured and loaded exactly as you will be when traveling.

GCWR: Gross Combination Weight Rating
Gross Combination Weight Rating (GCWR) is the maximum number that the tow vehicle GVW plus towed vehicle GVW (or GTW) should never exceed.

GAW: Gross Axle Weight
Gross Axle Weight (GAW) is the actual weight placed on a single axle. Assuming a well-balanced vehicle, the GAW is then evenly distributed to all tires on that axle.

In addition to the axle weight rating, the GAW must be within the tire weight ratings as well. To determine the amount of weight placed on each tire, divide the GAW by the number of tires on the axle.

You may see the more specific RGAW, when referring to the rear axle, or FGAW, when referring to the front axle.

GAWR: Gross Axle Weight Rating
Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) is the maximum number that the GAW of a single axle should never exceed. You may see the more specific RGAWR, when referring to the rear axle, or FGAWR, when referring to the front axle.

Tongue Weight or King Pin Weight
Tongue Weight (also called Tongue Load) is the actual weight pressing down on the hitch ball by the trailer. The recommended amount of Tongue Weight is 10-15% of the GTW.

King Pin Weight (also called Pin Weight) is the actual weight pressing down on the fifth wheel hitch by the trailer. The recommended amount of King Pin Weight is 15-25% of the GTW.

These weights are added to the tow vehicle's GVW.

Curb Weight
Curb Weight Includes
Vehicle weight with standard equipment only
Full fuel tank weight
Full fresh water tank(s) weight
Full propane container weight
Equipment fluids weight
Curb Weight is the actual weight of a vehicle or trailer including all standard equipment, full fuel tanks, full fresh water tanks, full propane bottles, and all other equipment fluids, but before taking on any persons or personal cargo.

We have seen the following variations to this definition:

•Includes driver
•Includes optional equipment
Pay close attention to how the manufacturer defines Curb Weight because this is often used to calculate other weights, such as the cargo carrying capacity or Payload.

Dry Weight
Dry Weight is the actual weight of a vehicle or trailer containing standard equipment without fuel, fluids, cargo, passengers, or optional equipment.

We have seen the following variations to this definition:

•Includes commonly ordered optional equipment
•Includes fluids of generator and other onboard equipment (oil, coolant, fuel)
•May or may not include RV batteries
Pay close attention to how the manufacturer defines Dry Weight because this is often used to calculate other weights, such as the cargo carrying capacity or Payload.

UVW: Unloaded Vehicle Weight
UVW Includes
Vehicle weight as manufactured at the factory
Full fuel tank weight
Equipment fluids weight
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW) is the weight of a vehicle as manufactured at the factory. It includes full engine and generator fuel tanks and fluids, if applicable. It does not include cargo, water, propane, or dealer-installed accessories. Be aware that some manufacturers weigh each unit to determine UVW, while others provide only the average or estimated weight for each model.

We have seen the following variations to this definition:

•Includes actual factory installed options
•Includes commonly ordered factory installed options
Pay close attention to how the manufacturer defines UVW because this is often used to calculate other weights, such as the cargo carrying capacity or Payload.
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Wink Confused yet?

We kneed to KISS this explanation...

John Lennon with me a little....

First, John Lennon your trailer is level...

Next, John Lennon your tongue jack comes out the ball mount...

Now, John Lennon there is no hitch involved in this equation...

The trailer is sitting level on the pad resting on the tongue jack...how much weight is on the trailer axles?

Now, John Lennon the trailer connected to the TV, remember no hitch...How much weight on the trailer axles? Surprised?

Now, John Lennon the trailer hitched up with WD adjusted properly...
How much weight on the trailer axles now? Did the light go on yet?

Your adding weight to the trailer axles when hitched properly with a WD.

A portion of the trailer's total weight is carried by the tongue, that weight stays with the trailer whether supported by the tongue jack or TV. The only time it changes is when a portion of the weight is transferred back to the trailer axles and forward to the TV front axles with the WD.
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