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Old 01-10-2014, 08:42 PM   #1
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Exclamation GM Recalls over 300k 2014 pickups for possible engine fires

Recall: 2014 Chevrolet Silverado GMC Sierra for engine fires - MSN Autos
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Just engine software errors, like the ford tranny software.
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Recall - as reported by Chris Woodyard at USA Today on the 11th of Jan, 2014....

Fire risk: GM recalls 303K Chevy, GMC pickups

As someone already said, software fault but one that causes the trucks to catch fire....
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Old 01-13-2014, 04:10 PM   #4
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Recall - as reported by Chris Woodyard at USA Today on the 11th of Jan, 2014....

Fire risk: GM recalls 303K Chevy, GMC pickups

As someone already said, software fault but one that causes the trucks to catch fire....
Only in extended idling situations at very cold temps. Software available tomorrow. Affected Vehicle files at dealers loaded tonight.
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I did verify that the VINs are loaded into the system this morning. This reprogram takes about 1/2 hour, but dealer scheduling is the buggaboo. Contact your dealer to verify need and for an appointment to reduce your inconvenience.
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I wonder why they can't just push the software through Onstar. Wouldn't it be useful if a driver of an affected vehicle could hit the Onstar button, request the software update, and be done with it. If I hit the Onstar button, they can tell me where I am, my speed, what my tire pressure is, and if cylinder #3 is mis-firing. There must be some reason they can't or won't push a software update - either it is technologically not possible, or they choose not to do it so it doesn't seem like Big
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So, pack the marshmallows and hot dogs when driving 2014 GM trucks?
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I wonder why they can't just push the software through Onstar. Wouldn't it be useful if a driver of an affected vehicle could hit the Onstar button, request the software update, and be done with it. If I hit the Onstar button, they can tell me where I am, my speed, what my tire pressure is, and if cylinder #3 is mis-firing. There must be some reason they can't or won't push a software update - either it is technologically not possible, or they choose not to do it so it doesn't seem like Big
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Some updates can and some can't. A lot of the body control software can be, and is, pushed through Onstar. Most of the powertrain software and associated hardware are not interconnected to body functions. The Volt is probably the most inclusive of software pushes because much of the electrical propulsion system and battery are also used for body electrical functions and the controllers interact.
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I wonder why they can't just push the software through Onstar. Wouldn't it be useful if a driver of an affected vehicle could hit the Onstar button, request the software update, and be done with it. If I hit the Onstar button, they can tell me where I am, my speed, what my tire pressure is, and if cylinder #3 is mis-firing. There must be some reason they can't or won't push a software update - either it is technologically not possible, or they choose not to do it so it doesn't seem like Big
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It would be theoretically possible to design a system that could accept a download, verify it and then allow you to approve an update. However, it might be a large file, and if something went wrong with the reflash it might brick your ECU and leave you in a Wendy's parking lot where you happened to let it do the update, etc.

Generally they want to reflash an ECU in a very controlled environment, using a known-good copy of the firmware in a setting that's safe in the event that something goes wrong and they have to redo the process or in the worst case replace the ECU. What's annoying if it happened to your $500 laptop might be a huge problem where your $50,000 pickup is concerned.

Never mind the potential for mischief if some hacker gained access to your vehicle via the network!
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I wonder why they can't just push the software through Onstar. Wouldn't it be useful if a driver of an affected vehicle could hit the Onstar button, request the software update, and be done with it. If I hit the Onstar button, they can tell me where I am, my speed, what my tire pressure is, and if cylinder #3 is mis-firing. There must be some reason they can't or won't push a software update - either it is technologically not possible, or they choose not to do it so it doesn't seem like Big
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My guess: If the update fails for some reason, now your truck is dead in the water wherever it happens to be at the time, requiring a tow. At least if something goes awry while at the dealer, they have the tools to get it running again.

Edit: Yeah, what DKB_SATX said.
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There are ways to protect that and validate a download prior to an install. For example, we have had Volts which failed an update repeatedly because they are parked in a parking structure, for example. We do downloads while vehicle is shut down, mostly at night, for obvious reasons.

Onstar needs a relatively unobstructed view of the sky. In these cases, Onstar would contact the customer and ask for a time for a suitable download.
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There are ways to protect that and validate a download prior to an install. For example, we have had Volts which failed an update repeatedly because they are parked in a parking structure, for example. We do downloads while vehicle is shut down, mostly at night, for obvious reasons.

Onstar needs a relatively unobstructed view of the sky. In these cases, Onstar would contact the customer and ask for a time for a suitable download.
For data downloads, Onstar most likely just needs reliable cell phone signal. It's unlikely that they're doing any satellite data communications, just passive GPS reception.
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Nope, I've been told we use satellite. GM owns our own satellites form the ownership of Hughes days. Thus the requirement for open sky. On board AT&T 4G coming soon, so that may change.
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Nope, I've been told we use satellite. GM owns our own satellites form the ownership of Hughes days. Thus the requirement for open sky. On board AT&T 4G coming soon, so that may change.
OnStar has always had fairly fuzzy marketing about that, because satellite seems so space-age. From the disclaimer in the footer of the OnStar homepage: OnStar services require vehicle electric system (including battery), wireless service and GPS satellite signals to be available and operating for features to function properly. "Wireless service" = cell phone service.

If they did use satellite, there'd be no holes in their coverage map, which looks like a less-precise version of the Verizon coverage map.
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