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Old 10-27-2011, 07:55 AM   #15
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For a look at the future of ethanol go to South America where they slash and burn the rain forests to grow sugar cain to make cheap ethanol. They have cheap fuel but at a tremedous cost. When the farm land and rain forests are all gone no more ethanol.

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Those subsidies can't disappear fast enough for me!!
The korn fuel is a real problem in the boat, makes every outing an adventure.
Had to add a a fuel/water separator last Season.

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Not to mention that producing ethanol is making food prices rise as an un-intended consequence. The sooner this thing of subsidizing anything ends, the better.
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Not to mention that producing ethanol is making food prices rise as an un-intended consequence. The sooner this thing of subsidizing anything ends, the better.
The taxpayer support and costs of the fast food industry via subsidies is past irrational, it's purpose is to make a few rich at a high expense to the rest of us. Using food for fuel is beyond the pale.

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I sometimes wonder how much fuel for the farm equipment to plant, cultivate, fertilize, harvest etc. Also, ive heard of it destroying fiberglass fuel tanks in boats. Sal.
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The taxpayer support and costs of the fast food industry via subsidies is past irrational, it's purpose is to make a few rich at a high expense to the rest of us. Using food for fuel is beyond the pale.

Thanks to the above for the links and the info.

That seems to be the purpose of almost everything that goes on now days.
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I sometimes wonder how much fuel for the farm equipment to plant, cultivate, fertilize, harvest etc. Also, ive heard of it destroying fiberglass fuel tanks in boats. Sal.
"So, the energy input of 4.93 gallons of gasoline equivalent leads to an energy output of 1.74 gallons of gasoline equivalent, or a net energy loss of 65 percent."

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The taxpayer support and costs of the fast food industry via subsidies is past irrational. . .
How does the taxpayer subsidize the fast food industry? This is news to me.

Interesting how this thread has gone from talking about gasoline to the general evilness of practically everybody in just two pages. . .
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Corn, fed to cattle. A whole slew of subsidies inside of that. There's a reason a cheeseburger can be had for a $1.50 and it is only due to governmental favoritism. Tax breaks abound for this "industry" which drives mom & pop competitors out of business, and the profits leave that community; it is poorer on a range of services not covered by a wage below the cost of living. Costs go up to the local and state taxpayer.

The subsidy of gasoline is one of the worst. Were it not subsidized the true cost would be just under $12/gal.

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